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how can i obtein that sound???
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ale_chapora
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 02:12
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On 2011-08-08 02:07, Ethik Mantis wrote:
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On 2011-08-08 02:02, ale_chapora wrote:
i'm tryng to reproduce such sonorities 'cause i like them  and for ''others'' do you mean 70 % of psytrance artists? mmm.. probably someone else as ''copied'' them xD
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I sometimes try to reproduce some sounds (not leads just sounds) used in famous tunes, just for the fun and to see if i can of course, not ever to build a tune copying other projects. Having our own road to drive on is more fun then follow shadows.
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this advices are very appreciate to me  i'll follow my way! i'm asking about this 'cause when i heard new artist with that sonorities that i love (yes... ALL the main artists use them) i go mad 'cause i cant reproduce grgrgrgr
however its true..... it's better to find the own style! cheers |
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psyraal
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 02:30
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however its true..... it's better to find the own style! cheers
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(100 bucks as you won't be reading this whole thing.)
Yes, it's better, but you gotta have some fun in the process, sure everyone should have their own definition of psytrance in order to make different stuff (sometimes it's kinda refreshing knowing that one can reproduce the typical psy journey) and i can tell you from my example, i was just another one trying to have something that would make a person say: "Oh man this sounds like Ethik" but i got lost 300 hundred times while trying to achieve that definition. I was being strict to my on-producing person, or in another words, i was restricting the crazyness inside my head, i wanted to blow off people's minds in every break in my tunes, i wanted jumpy builds ups that would make people go nuts until the actual full on beat started, stuff like this..
And i tried, tried and i tried a few more times and them some more and i failed a lot, and dude i mean a lot, wasted project after wasted project and i wasn't able to have some sort of major breakthrough in my fucking way of thinking, until one time i was in one of my marketing classes and i turned on the laptop, got the headphones ready, (yes it was during the teacher's explanation) and the revolution began at last! I created a lead (that noisy acid lead you can hear in the Jungle Rumble tune), i created some beats and i tried to make some unique arrangements.. Until my teacher told me that he understood the urge to create but we were in the middle of an explanation, so i had to stop. But when i got home, well you can guess the rest of it.
My point is.. You will get there, but you have to believe that you are actually going to get there, no one has to follow any shadow, grab the fucking shadow, turn it into a black hole and then go through that black hole and enter your music world, where you use what you know and you have no worries about being too much or too little.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 06:38
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On 2011-08-07 23:12, A.Rosengren wrote:
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On 2011-08-07 17:05, Beat Agency wrote:
Why not create something new instead of copying what others did before? All the copying (and asking for easy receipts on music forums) is IMO one of the reasons why music gets so stereotype/predictable within their genres.
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Beat me to it, didn't have the energy to whip it out there. now I can just +1.
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+1 hehe
The Way Back
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loki
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 07:49
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On 2011-08-08 02:30, Ethik Mantis wrote:
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however its true..... it's better to find the own style! cheers
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(100 bucks as you won't be reading this whole thing.)
Yes, it's better, but you gotta have some fun in the process, sure everyone should have their own definition of psytrance in order to make different stuff (sometimes it's kinda refreshing knowing that one can reproduce the typical psy journey) and i can tell you from my example, i was just another one trying to have something that would make a person say: "Oh man this sounds like Ethik" but i got lost 300 hundred times while trying to achieve that definition. I was being strict to my on-producing person, or in another words, i was restricting the crazyness inside my head, i wanted to blow off people's minds in every break in my tunes, i wanted jumpy builds ups that would make people go nuts until the actual full on beat started, stuff like this..
And i tried, tried and i tried a few more times and them some more and i failed a lot, and dude i mean a lot, wasted project after wasted project and i wasn't able to have some sort of major breakthrough in my fucking way of thinking, until one time i was in one of my marketing classes and i turned on the laptop, got the headphones ready, (yes it was during the teacher's explanation) and the revolution began at last! I created a lead (that noisy acid lead you can hear in the Jungle Rumble tune), i created some beats and i tried to make some unique arrangements.. Until my teacher told me that he understood the urge to create but we were in the middle of an explanation, so i had to stop. But when i got home, well you can guess the rest of it.
My point is.. You will get there, but you have to believe that you are actually going to get there, no one has to follow any shadow, grab the fucking shadow, turn it into a black hole and then go through that black hole and enter your music world, where you use what you know and you have no worries about being too much or too little.
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groovy.
Dance, even if you have nowhere to do it but your living room. ~Kurt Vonnegut
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 09:58
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On 2011-08-08 06:38, faxinadu wrote:
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On 2011-08-07 23:12, A.Rosengren wrote:
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On 2011-08-07 17:05, Beat Agency wrote:
Why not create something new instead of copying what others did before? All the copying (and asking for easy receipts on music forums) is IMO one of the reasons why music gets so stereotype/predictable within their genres.
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Beat me to it, didn't have the energy to whip it out there. now I can just +1.
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+1 hehe
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Come on, give ppl a break, seriously.. remember the time whem you were noobs yourself??
Regarding music; 20 years ago when i learned guitar, i didn't just sit and pump out cool riffs from the start! I tried playing some songs from artists i loved. Learning their techniques, which i later could use to express my own tunes...
Classic musicians; They ALL play the same shit, EVERY day! This is the most sublime musicians playing the most pure and classic form of music, and they sit there all day just rehearsing the passages in this Wagner og Mahler piece ... and so does classical musicians all over the world!
Chefs: They all do the classics. They HAVE to, to even get through a Chef's education... now, howcome they're so boring, making same old dishes that the great chefs have made for 50 years?? Why don't they creat a new personal masterpiece from their own unique style?!?
EVERY blue collar worker goes through the same, apprenticeship... learning exactly what they all learn.. Because that is the tools of the trade
And it's the same with music production. We learn and look up to our idols. We have a 'vision' about out music somehow should be in that genre. Then you need to learn the tricks to get there (That's right - 'The mother of all...'-threads is totally laughable if your attitude is the correct one: Why discuss leads and bassline if the only way of doing it right is to create the killer-stuff from scratch, without references??).
Anyways, i can see this from more angles - another angle is:
- Beat Agency moans about originality.
- The Rosengren does the same.
- Then Faxinadu does the same too.
So.. i can guess that originality only applies to psy production, not in any other regards??
Give ppl a chance, dudes.... remember the old philosopher that taught us: It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice
If you make everything about originality, pushing forward, paving the way, then it gets really sour in the long run - remember to have fun!!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 11:45
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On originality...how many of you picked up a guitar for the first time and started playing original stuff only? Give the new guys a break, they just want to learn to stand on their feet before they learn how to walk and then run.
P.S. just repeated the previous poster...
Peace out.
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ale_chapora
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 14:20
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i agree with you all! thx for the advices and i say more that when you manage your equipment well then the creativity flow goes from your head to your ears  sorry for my english.. long time withouth talkin in english eheh cheers
(i've readen all the discussion -.- 100 bucks that you think the other people are just lazy noobs -.-) |
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psyraal
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 14:36
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(i've readen all the discussion -.- 100 bucks that you think the other people are just lazy noobs -.-)
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The 100 bucks thing was an incentive and a mini non-joke and it was only about my huge reply, also i was trying to help you, that's why i wrote all that stuff (if i actually thought what you're saying i think i wouldn't write so much words.. No need to be 'dicking'.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 15:08
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On 2011-08-08 11:45, disco hooligans wrote:
On originality...how many of you picked up a guitar for the first time and started playing original stuff only? Give the new guys a break, they just want to learn to stand on their feet before they learn how to walk and then run.
P.S. just repeated the previous poster...
Peace out.
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When I was a "nob" I did not ask people for a ABC on how to make music or sounds. I sat down and played around with my synths and did bad music and sounds until the day I started to get an idea of what it was all about and by that developed my own sound. Yes I tried to play melodies from the Bands I liked but again I figured it all out by myself and by this I learned and progressed.
It took me years in studios before I started to like what I did and felt I actually had something worth listening to. I seriously have the feeling that today it's like this:
"Hey I want to make music. I'll go to Isra and get a ready ABC and in 3 months I'll have it released and get bookings"
As I wrote earlier. You learn by hard work.
Sorry maybe I am just Old-school but I simply believe when people are stuck they take the easy road and ask people for ABC's here instead of figure out things by themselves. I strongly believe you become an better musician/artist by figuring out difficult things by your own instead of getting the problem served on a "silver plate". Heck look at this forum. It's flooded with "How do I make this...." etc. etc. But hey that's just my 2 cents www.beatagency.dk |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 15:38
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 15:42
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On 2011-08-08 15:38, disco hooligans wrote:
When you were a n00b nobody was making trance tunes
Peace out.
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Oh but we did. We just did not know what to call it
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Dv2
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 20:10
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So you're saying that once you figure out how to create a super killer power lead you just loose the interest in it because you already figured it out? You don't feel the need to use it, tweak it, etc..? Really top thinking man.
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Eh, no. I said that when I was a beginner I wanted to know how to make typical psy sounds, because my own sounds were nothing like it. So I started reading synth tutorials and still couldn't imagine how certain sounds were made. I kept experimenting and learned a lot of stuff myself, but then I stumbled upon "psy squelch" tutorials etc.
This means, it was handed to me on a silver platter how to make this sound. Now that I know, it's not that I use it all the time in every track. Someone like me, who has a passion for production, can only benefit from getting some tips and instructions, because we never stop learning anyway. But someone who thinks he is already a pro once he knows how to get "this" or "that" sound will never achieve anything. So you can just tell him what he wants to know or not, but this "Why don't you figure things out in the course of 10 years like I have, cause I'm better and I hate unoriginal music"-attitude gets kind of boring.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, that only because you tell somebody how to make a sound, doesn't mean he will only use this sound or never do something original. If that was the case, you'd never listen to his "track" anyway. Furthermore, I'm listening to all these cool dudes who figured everything out by themselves and it still sounds like typical night fullon with Fm leads to me. So whats the big fuzz? |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 20:28
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On 2011-08-08 20:10, Dv2 wrote:
but this "Why don't you figure things out in the course of 10 years like I have, cause I'm better and I hate unoriginal music"-attitude gets kind of boring.
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Fine but like it or not that's my honest opinion and I still think way too many wannabe musicians (sorry but that's what you are if you think there are easy ways out and that you will be the next Mozart in a matter of 6 months) try to cut corners which will get them nowhere except in one place. In the pile of forgotten copycats.
By the way where did you see any of us say we are better? None of us said that. But maybe we are a tiny bit more experienced in a studio
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On 2011-08-08 20:10, Dv2 wrote:
Furthermore, I'm listening to all these cool dudes who figured everything out by themselves and it still sounds like typical night fullon with Fm leads to me. So whats the big fuzz?
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Those guys are the ones who jumped on the full-on band wagon to milk the cow (when it was still available to be milked) and now they are stuck in a formula and depend on their weekend full-on gigs. And then there are some who obviously love full-on with all it's cliches and cheesy melodies. www.beatagency.dk |
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Dv2
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 20:42
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People say lots of things without using words.
It's always the same type of discussion. Someone wants to know something and the "experienced dudes" jump in one after the other, preaching their philosophy about what makes a good artist/producer. I have the same philosophy, that's why I don't answer questions like "Dooodz, how to make tha killargh bass. Where can I get da sample".
But I try to help noobs who are serious about learning.
When I ask a friend of mine (who has been making music for over 20 years and has a very unique sound) how some of his sounds were made, he tells me on the spot. Because he is a real professional. He doesn't have to concern himself with what others do. Just because I know how to program 1 of his sounds doesn't mean I will ever sound close to him. I couldn't, because we have different brains. In contrast, the knowledge he gives me helps my understanding of sound and sound manipulation, which ultimately benefits my own style. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Aug 8, 2011 21:31
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You know what. I'll be happy to help anyone asking a technical question regarding studio setup, mixing etc. if I know the answer. But someone asking to get help to make a sound because everyone use it and it's "cool" is not something I bother to help out with. Why? Because I believe I am not helping the guy at all. On the contrary I believe he would benefit way more from playing around with the synths (hardware or vsti) and discover his own sound and identity as a musician.
So be my guest and think we "preach". I don't think of it as preaching. I think of it as being honest to my own believes. And indeed to give advice as I see it. Then it's up to him to take my advice or not
Maybe your friend help you because he is your friend And don't give me bull about being less professional just because we do not help every person coming along asking how to make a kilarghhh sound.
Ever thought about why there is so much mediocre music these days? One answer could be that there are way too many people who live in a fantasy world thinking they have a talent for music making and then they rush to the nearest music community to get help how to make a bass-line.
Now I do not say the topic starter is not talented. My point is IF he got talent and is passionate about his music then he'll get there without the help of people in a forum. I will even go so far and say he would benefit a great deal keeping away from such forums and use the time in his studio
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