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How about a promotional download section...?
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CLAW
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Posted : Oct 11, 2004 03:10
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I would reccoment the creation of a 'promotional download' section where artist, or maybe labels can promote dj sets or maybe some recorded sets from parties, events etc, for the pleasure of the ordinary listener and user of this forum...
Since there are looooots of artists & labels participating in this forum, I say y not sharing some sj sets or anything like that...
It can be started with labels and well-known artists, and then it can be moved to several users gaining access from ftps and uploading facilities...
What do u say...?
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blueOrb
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Posted : Oct 11, 2004 04:56
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karnaf
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Posted : Oct 11, 2004 14:38
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a few problems I can see with this, before checking the option:
1. copyrights - DJ sets have tracks in them, tracks are copyrighted... it would be the same as downloading mp3s
2. server space...
3. bandwidth...
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CLAW
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Posted : Oct 11, 2004 15:20
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Well, its like the internet radios... No-one is complaining about rights, and besides this, lower quality will not allow the listener to copy, cut or anything like that...
Server space... It can be done by allowing some dj sets each time... Each week a couple of sets and then others and pre-annoucments etc...
Now, about bandwith i dont know since i dont know the specs...
Its a good idea IMO
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Rik
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Posted : Oct 11, 2004 22:24
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On 2004-10-11 15:20, CHP wrote:
Well, its like the internet radios... No-one is complaining about rights, and besides this, lower quality will not allow the listener to copy, cut or anything like that...
Server space... It can be done by allowing some dj sets each time... Each week a couple of sets and then others and pre-annoucments etc...
Now, about bandwith i dont know since i dont know the specs...
Its a good idea IMO
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that's probably the reason why i get bills from Sabam (belgian copyright organisation like acum) just for planning a webradio. i got bills in my mailbox up to 1200$ for a radio that never even started broadcasting because of some sponsoring complications.
the second a site like isratrance starts broadcasting they would also have to pay these fee's and since there is not a single source of funds i find it very unlikely they'll ever work on this on an independant basis. and that's the major thing about this site... it is independant from any sponsors that might inlfuence it.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 01:13
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What if the music broadcasted is not registered with those organizations?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 02:12
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Mike A:
According to the swedish organisation for performance royalties (STIM), it's ok to not pay fee's if your material is not registered with them, or one of the international sister organisations.
You can't register on a per-track basis though.
It's all the output of the label/artists or nothing.
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 16:48
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Sorry for going offtopic, but what if I release one track on a label that works with them, and 10 on labels that don't?
The other 10 tracks will have to be payed for too?
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 17:32
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I'm not entierly sure about that.
When it comes to events like parties I know that they provide different tariffs depending on how much music is license via them.
I don't remember the exact rates. The lowest rate was for up to 10% of the material registered, and I think you paid about a quarter of what you would if you played only licensed.
On online broadcasing I saw no such varying rates, so I presume that it is a all-or-nothing situation there, but is not sure.
Give the israeli organisation a call I would say, the rules do vary a bit anyway.
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CLAW
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 17:53
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Yep... U should give it a try... Its worth of trying! Labels can condribute, tracks from albums released, as promos and play them to the streaming... Djs of labels can provite sets, and like i already told, streaming will be in such a bit rate that would make it immpossible to be recorded...
Plus some jingles would do a good job 
Come'on guys, it will be a good idea... Ask your israeli orginizations and like Spindrift said, maybe the regulations are a bit different there 
Later
P.S I can not understand it, if the label who owns a cd, provides it for promotional use, in a broadcasting media, to whom has to give rights and all...?
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karnaf
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 18:23
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labels and artists who wish to contribute tracks and samples can already do so (check www.isratrance.com psymedia->audio)
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Rik
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 19:57
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On 2004-10-12 16:48, Mike A wrote:
Sorry for going offtopic, but what if I release one track on a label that works with them, and 10 on labels that don't?
The other 10 tracks will have to be payed for too?
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you can not sign up with a copyright organisation on a track by track basis. they manage anything you made and will make.
I don't even know if it's possible to "un-sign" once you've become a member
and the texts i've read also indicate that all your future productions will also be protected by the organisation you sign with.
I don't know how this works in countries that have more than 1 organisation taking care of this (they have to compete with eachother so i can imagine they offer more interesting contracts)
a label nor the artist have the right to give you permission to use the tracks free of copyright fee's, once the artist has signed with such an organisation.
it's a complicated world out there.
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Rik
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 19:59
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On 2004-10-12 02:12, Spindrift wrote:
Mike A:
You can't register on a per-track basis though.
It's all the output of the label/artists or nothing.
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not 100%correct, what you can do is get a broadcasting permit for periods of time, say 6 hours a day, or 1 day a week, to air copyrighted tracks, the rest of the time you could use the same channel for unlicensed tracks.
little detail: if you broadcast commercials of any type, you also have to pay a percentage of the revenue this creates for you to the copyright organisations.
israel specific detail: acum is one of the only copyright organisations that aquires a digital list of every track played on their commercial radio's, and psy artists accordingly (in belgium they only ask one playlist every so many months, and hardly even check what you play... so none of the money ends up with the artists who's music you play). I don't know if they handle webradio's the same way but it looks like it might be possible... contact Acum for details. www.psytracks.com :: Brand new website for sharing your psytracks with the world. Get a free 250Mb Artist profile, Blog and events calender!
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 20:18
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 12, 2004 21:35
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Makes me think those organizations are in the interests of themselves and not in the interests of the artists.
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