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Posted : Mar 22, 2010 20:52
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On 2010-03-22 20:25, hardkornate wrote:
Hmm, sounds like an addiction to me.
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It does, doesn't it.
Kevin, how can you say there is a "unified purpose"? I think it's safe to say people gather for/listen to music with many different underlying purposes. When speaking of any particular religion, you could probably say that any group would gather for the same reason when it comes to the corresponding music, but the aesthetics of music generally revolve around music being expression (not usually representation). Saying music is universal in any context is kind of a bold claim. It is way too complex and diversified.
 
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Posted : Mar 22, 2010 20:55
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Posted : Mar 22, 2010 21:20
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Well, I've read some studies where western music has been played for african tribes who never heard even that style of music before and all of them were able to identify with a happy or sad feeling in the music (same as those who listened from the western world).
It's easier to communicate emotions through music (I should have added dance into this as well) seeing as how 90%(?) of communication is non-verbal. Especially if the music (like most psy) doesn't have vocals, it makes it more universal (meaning that everyone can "understand" it without being confined to a language which is only trying to convey a specific purpose based on what the words mean).
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Posted : Mar 22, 2010 23:36
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On 2010-03-22 21:20, Ascension wrote:
Well, I've read some studies where western music has been played for african tribes who never heard even that style of music before and all of them were able to identify with a happy or sad feeling in the music (same as those who listened from the western world).
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Cool. I'll send you the paper I wrote on Mozart's Requiem and Aesthetics in music which touches on that phenomena (about representational qualities in music) if you want...
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Posted : Mar 22, 2010 23:58
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i agree kevers thats definately part of it but supposing that this is THE reason what is the next step in thinking on that path... why do we yearn to communicate in this way enough to pursue it with such dedication. What is gained by communicating this way? I realize that the majority of modern communication is flawed at best and will never be able to convey such complex communications as body language and art/music do.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 00:18
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On 2010-03-22 10:08, DJ_Jezibel wrote:
I feel like a big reason why a lot of people rave and throw raves who really have their hart into it is because they want to create a space where people can feel like they don't have to be judged by the social construct. This often causes people to express themselves in ways they really needed to to unblock themselves... but even more than this, it is about slowly taking a piece of what we are, how we feel and what we learn in a tribal or psychedelic experience and really change our synapses in a postive way, and apply that to the rest of our lives. Its like blowing away the clouds that keep us from seeing what we really want when we have a moment of energetic bliss and remember how lucky we are to be alive.
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I feel like going to an event with this intent and staying focused on it can only yeild positive results... the things that block us from getting here are all the things we bring with us to the party from the "realworld". insecurities, social anxieties, relationship dramas, money worries, goeverment paranoias, or whatever you are obsessing over in daily life are the things that keep us from breaking through into unkown places in our minds which are quiet enough to access the clarity needed for self improvement. Imagine a group of people all screaming at you about your problems. if you jsut stand there and try to reason with them you will only keep getting yelled at til you are broken down and weak from resisting. all you gotta do is find a dark room in your brain that the voices dont know about yet. once you have accessed it you can finally get the peace and quiet you need to be able to be yourself and even though it is fleeting is enough for the essence of that moment to follow you into the "realworld" untill we allow it to fade or be forced out of our lives by the abrassive surroundings most of us experience on a daily basis. i suggest that maybe we will all benefit as a whole if we individually do a little prep work before going to an event and we all wipe our feet before crossing the threshold into the collective experience. this ensures what you bring to the event with you will not be of detriment to the internal ascension of all around you but will instead amplify it which will in turn help to amplify your current state. like creating feedback out of silent and invisible electricities.
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doesnt it perhaps boil down to the fact that we tend to be uninhibited at parties... like the animals we in actual fact are?
We spend our daily lives acting a certain way to be socially acceptable. This goes against our instincts as much as a monkey acting like a lion would be.
Thus we yearn for an acceptable "platform" on which to be ourselves without a care in the world.. and we find this platform in our choice of recreational activity.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 00:23
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so far we are either doing this out of addiction or to deprogram ourselves into becoming the benevolent creatures we believe we could be. i imagine we all have our own reasons when it comes down to it and they are constantly changing as well.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 00:34
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On 2010-03-23 00:19, Tizzy wrote:
doesnt it perhaps boil down to the fact that we tend to be uninhibited at parties... like the animals we in actual fact are?
We spend our daily lives acting a certain way to be socially acceptable. This goes against our instincts as much as a monkey acting like a lion would be.
Thus we yearn for an acceptable "platform" on which to be ourselves without a care in the world.. and we find this platform in our choice of recreational activity.
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i feel like dancing is very instinctual unless you are thinking about it while you are doing it. and i feel like we are completely animalistic once we are beyond our thoughts meaning we are action and instinct. this is why to me someone in an intense experience seems more like a wild animal in a people costume than a human.
so in re identifying and vacationing in our thoughtless states we are also reconnecting with our instincts and the true nature of ourselves not identificationally attatched to anything modern or peripheral? with the side effects being things like community, fun and exercise? is everything we experience at these events side effects from the initial gathering of people who are trying to break down walls ?
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 00:59
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On 2010-03-23 00:19, Tizzy wrote:
doesnt it perhaps boil down to the fact that we tend to be uninhibited at parties... like the animals we in actual fact are?
We spend our daily lives acting a certain way to be socially acceptable. This goes against our instincts as much as a monkey acting like a lion would be.
Thus we yearn for an acceptable "platform" on which to be ourselves without a care in the world.. and we find this platform in our choice of recreational activity.
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Disagreed. We ceased being monkeys a long time ago. How is being socially acceptable going against instincts? I say there's an instinct to be socially acceptable at this point in evolution. I don't have the instinct to rip off my clothes when I'm in public but instead suppress it.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 02:00
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maybe a drive to be socially "acceptable" could be instinct but perhaps what it takes to be socially "accepted" in a modern configuration is what is against instinct. when i speak of instinct i speak of the very core of what drives us. it seems like we have invented alot of modern technologies to try and fulfill these instincts yet fall short or taint them with greed this is most of what i believe entertainment and marketing is based off of synthesizing experinces that envoke emotins or trigger instinct... look at our concept of sexuality... not much is more instinctual than that but it is tainted with the influence of the world we have created. instinctually we dont need anything extra except for a partner and a connection. its become Such a overcomplicated and confusing mess that the pursuit of it turns most of us into anxiety ridden self conscious wrecks. (thinking of us purely as creatures) i dont think that we were intented to have such stress and anxiety surrounded around such an instinctual and simple thing but we are taught how to thnk about sexuality from our external inputs and influences which in complicating things interrupts the natural flow of them...
our instincts are what lies beneath everything you are capable of thinking they trigger thoughts but are not thoughts themselves. they are the set of tools we were given from birth then we pack on years of influence till we have lost the ability to even know what our instincts are. i feel like our instincts are our unlearned desires and abilities. everything else is learned knowledge which is barely accurate in comparison to the validity of instinctual feelings and practices because you dont have choice and anylization when operating instinctually .. only the ability to force yourself to deny instinct from guiding your actions.
ripping your clothes off in public is not an instinct and even if it were the supression of it is what im referring too and i imagine what tizzy is too. now maybe making covers for our vulnerable type of bodies is instinct. maybe not point is when you watch an animal develop over its life spans there are certain things it and all the other members of its species learn but are not taught.
"Babies are not born knowing how to swim, but they do have the natural instinct to hold their breath underwater, straight from the womb. There was a study done where newborns were submerged underwater for a short period of time, and when they were lifted out of the water, they were completely unharmed, not crying, and had not choked! Unfortunately, this instinct is forgotten quickly (varying between 6mo - 2years) if not exercised properly. "
imagine what else we loose by filling our vulnerable brains with information without the ability to filter out what you dont want to have payed attention to.
maybe reaching these states through dance is our way of reconnecting with our true nature beneath all that we have learned...
dancing is embarrassing at first why because we are taught that dancing through the grocery store just because you are happy enough to want to is frowned upon it positions you as unpredictable and people are terrified of things that are unpredictable so they instead of changing themselves to accept pressure those few upstarts to either conform or find somewhere that accepts that kinda nonsense. we are also taught to think of dance as a sort of mating call or competition. so when we bring the stress that being exposed to how society has taught us to feel about the way we truely are we have to go through this whole process bit by bit ridding ourselves of those standards that we unintentionally signed up for and rewrite our own.
personally speaking: For me the only true way to rewrite my own is to trust in my instincts and distrust in anything that is telling me how i should feel. Because only i know what it means for me to be human nobody elses concept of that can be 100% true for my life and when i really think about it in depth it has nothing to do with anything synthetic. which seems ironic seeing as the majority of our music is created synthetically but when there is a beat our instincts tell us to move in no particular direction with no destination. I dont think i learned how to want to move to a steady beat i think that is instinct...
so it could also be instinctual for us to dance and this could all be our best efforts at facilitating that for ourselves and others.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 10:22
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we're all just a bunch of weirdos!
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 16:08
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I do it strictly for the money. Otherwise I wouldn't have anything to wipe my ass with.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2010 19:15
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haha fuck ya!!!!! get yers
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Posted : Mar 24, 2010 00:46
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On 2010-03-23 16:08, MadPsyintist wrote:
I do it strictly for the money. Otherwise I wouldn't have anything to wipe my ass with.
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bwahaha thats honesty. i almost feel compelled to donate a roll of TP to you for that.
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