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Homophobia in the Psy scene
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lurk
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 16:39
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Have you noticed the url in MR Lyner's signature?
http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
i think he's in denial. (childish, i know, but fun  )
seriously, i can't believe i'm reading a thread like this on a psytrance forum. some of things said here are despicable.
i think people like ron lyner should be forced to read drift's post over and over again until it gets through their thick skulls. there is no room for prejudice of any sort in our world, let alone our way of life.
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 16:43
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We need patience, understanding and love. .... Most of all we need love. 
Thanks for a very nice and informative post Drift (or who ever you realy are).
You sound exactly like a friend of mine, who's gay, yey!
..Isnt this thread over yet?
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suomi guy
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 16:48
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On 2005-11-17 16:20, Acidhive wrote:
And you call yourself an artist? How old are you exactly? No, don't bother.
Music is made for everyone and with that you don't even have to have sales in your mind. Most musicians want their music to be heard by as many people as possible. Does that boost sales? Maybe. But it's also about what you want people to hear. Strange that I have to explain this to you.
Anyway, I'd have thought someone like yourself could be more mature. Instead, you just bash away at others (me and others) just as much as the people you want to distance yourself so far from. It's laughable and pathetic really. And you know what? You amuse me, nothing more.  So go ahead, react to this, make me laugh some more please... hahaha
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Well, for a guy that made an rmxs cd of Simon Posford the god of psytrance I think it's a hell of a wrong question
And OOT's right in everyword, if homophobes think they can talk to some ppl that way they shouldn't be surprised ppl talk that way to them.
And don't you think pathetic is to write a post with a serius and angry way of tone and in the end to say "i'm laughing, hahaha"?
It's even more pathetic if you sit by yourself reading this and acctually laughing.
"My single one to cross the ways that have heart, any way that has heart. That way I cross, and the only test that is worth is to cross all its length. And that way I cross watching, watching, out of breath"
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CharlieBoy
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:00
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On 2005-11-17 16:20, Acidhive wrote:
Anyway, I'd have thought someone like yourself could be more mature. Instead, you just bash away at others (me and others) just as much as the people you want to distance yourself so far from. It's laughable and pathetic really.
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A little hypocritical, no? |
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:10
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On 2005-11-17 17:00, CharlieBoy wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 16:20, Acidhive wrote:
Anyway, I'd have thought someone like yourself could be more mature. Instead, you just bash away at others (me and others) just as much as the people you want to distance yourself so far from. It's laughable and pathetic really.
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A little hypocritical, no?
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Yup. But it's not me that's hypocritical. I'm entitled to my opinions, just like anybody else. OTT is the one being hypocritical here. Can he honestly expect me to believe he makes his music with the constant thought in his mind that he's not making it for homophobes? How does he want to stop them from listening his music? Stop the distribution to homophobes?? Come on man, that's just stupid.
And furthermore: if you read OTT's previous posting you'll see what OTT is doing is just insulting me. So why can he insult me, and I not insult him back? Cuz he's an ARTIST?? Forgive me for not being impressed.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:17
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Charlieboy is OTT's second personality but physically they are the same person.
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drift
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:29
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You sound exactly like a friend of mine, who's gay, yey! :D
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I am not from Norway, but PM me his number, who knows ;)))
and hell yeah....American Beauty is the movie to watch to see, how far it can go and how the untolerant society can twist man's mind... |
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:31
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You sound exactly like a friend of mine, who's gay, yey!
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I am not from Norway, but PM me his number, who knows ))
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haha, well i'll see what I can do. I'm currently living in Copenhagen. And we have been talking about moving in together here (he lives in Norway at the moment). He's a great friend, so it would be realy nice (we'r brothers at heart) .. (Oh no! What if people think I'm gay since I will be living with a gay person.. What if he has sex and makes noises *shivers* .. Oh well  )
Where are you from btw?
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CharlieBoy
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:33
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On 2005-11-17 17:17, Willy Wonka wrote:
Charlieboy is OTT's second personality but physically they are the same person.
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Spooky.
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On 2005-11-17 17:10, Acidhive wrote:
Yup. But it's not me that's hypocritical. I'm entitled to my opinions, just like anybody else. OTT is the one being hypocritical here. Can he honestly expect me to believe he makes his music with the constant thought in his mind that he's not making it for homophobes? How does he want to stop them from listening his music? Stop the distribution to homophobes?? Come on man, that's just stupid.
And furthermore: if you read OTT's previous posting you'll see what OTT is doing is just insulting me. So why can he insult me, and I not insult him back? Cuz he's an ARTIST?? Forgive me for not being impressed.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:34
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On 2005-11-17 16:20, Acidhive wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 11:45, Ott^ wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 11:21, Acidhive wrote:
people (like OTT) are taking this up way too seriously.
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Is it possible to take hatred and bigotry "too seriously"?
I don't think so.
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| @OTT: have you ever considered there maybe 1000's of gay bashers enjoying your music? |
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Many of them subscribed to Isratrance, evidently.
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Oh really? Thanks for letting me know.
I make music ostensibly for me, and then for anyone not choked with hatred and prejudice.
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| And let me tell you something else OTT. If you're one of those musicians that has a certain audience in mind while making the music instead of just making it and hoping anyone can enjoy it, you deserve my immediate disrespect. |
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I'm sure I'll manage to sleep at night.
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| Musicians are also people, I know that, but as a musician you shouldn't concern yourself with who listens your music. I mean, the more people listen your music the better right? |
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If the only thing that concerns you is sales, yes.
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I do.
I don't do what I do as a way of entertaining bigots and racists and haters. I do what I do as a direct reaction against the kind of ignorance and bullshit espoused by the haters, and the people like you who apologise for them.
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I knew you'd reveal yourself eventually. Be honest - you're gripped by a fear that all gay men are secretly plotting to molest you or your children, aren't you...
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And you call yourself an artist? How old are you exactly? No, don't bother.
Music is made for everyone and with that you don't even have to have sales in your mind. Most musicians want their music to be heard by as many people as possible. Does that boost sales? Maybe. But it's also about what you want people to hear. Strange that I have to explain this to you.
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Acidhive, Ott can create music to who ever he wishes, you're not going to define how a musician should act or think. Not all artists see dollar bills infront of their eyes.
The amplification of the indevidual, is the key to mutual respect between people.
"Love is a way of life"
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Farmer Jacob
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:49
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I think an important concept to consider is that homosexuality is a spiritual stage. If any of you have actually tried psychedelics (this thread begs the question...), then you may have witnessed your own or another's confusion over sexual identity. I remember one time in which a friend on ayahuasca told me that he realized that everyone is gay. Not the first time I had heard that hypothesis, but definitely the most adamantly held. He wanted to sleep with me that night and explore the "dark side", but I cautioned him from jumping into such a transition too quickly.
I have had experiences with both sexes, but for the most part I tend to be drawn to the same sex - the Wang, that is. hehe. I am not a sexually active creature, however, for alternative spiritual reasons.
During a tantric experience (homosexuality is rampant throughout historical Tibet and India within tantric circles), a being typically goes through a stage where the partner begins to take on their own features, i.e. at a certain phase of the trance, your partner would become a male, and thus you would be classifiable as a homosexual.
When I was grappling with the subconscious threat of homosexuality in my mid-teens, one of the first fears I had to surmount was the fear of not only an androcentric worldview, but a self-loving or narcissistic one. I remember one experience very vividly. I had entered into a fungi trance and was staring at my state of sexual confusion. At the height of the experience, the tantric path was unveiled, and along with it was the homosexual transition. Suffice it to say that, all joking aside, some individuals require a homosexual stage, whether it be one day, one year, one life or many lives, to fuse inhibiting spiritual polarity. During the course of the homosexual experiment, there are feelings of utter embarrassment and guilt, but these are easily circumvented by an intuition that dictates the necessity for the full confrontation of a spiritual stage.
The point being, be careful when making derogatory statements or condescending statements about your fellow creatures that happen to be transitioning. The lonely fear in the recesses of your psyche that causes distaste for anal exploration make well up into the conscious and reveal itself by way of a nagging penis fetish. Besides, who wants to remain caged within heterosexuality in perpetuity?
Two hugs and a wink,
Jacob
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floatyhippyflower
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 17:56
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At least smth that worth reading. |
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Totally agree.
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Yeah, nice one Drift. Good luck to you.
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Yes, artists should be exempt from any criticism (even artists who admit to rape and pillage) and I don't mind admitting I'm in favour of Isratrance implementing a mandatory masturbation rule when reading artist's posts.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 18:03
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Acidhive, Ott can create music to who ever he wishes, you're not going to define how a musician should act or think. Not all artists see dollar bills infront of their eyes.
The amplification of the indevidual, is the key to mutual respect between people.
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Funny that you seem to respect OTT, and not me. Once more your eloquence does not ring true. And when I said that artists should not worry themselves with who listens to the music I didn't mean that commercially. Do you think someone like Simon Posford care when somewhere in the world there is some person slaughtering people with 'Twisted' on his headphones? Nope. He couldn't care, and why not? He doesn't think about that. And why doesn't he think about that? Because he'd worry himself to death. How can a musician be sure there's not someone with bad intentions listening to his music??
But apparently you hadn't figured this out yet. I had to spell it out for you once again. Anyway, get my point now? Then stop attacking me for things I didn't say ok? "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Farmer Jacob
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 18:07
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On 2005-11-17 18:03, Acidhive wrote:
Funny that you seem to respect OTT, and not me. Once more your eloquence does not ring true. And when I said that artists should not worry themselves with who listens to the music I didn't mean that commercially. Do you think someone like Simon Posford care when somewhere in the world there is some person slaughtering people with 'Twisted' on his headphones? Nope. He couldn't care, and why not? He doesn't think about that. And why doesn't he think about that? Because he'd worry himself to death. How can a musician be sure there's not someone with bad intentions listening to his music??
But apparently you hadn't figured this out yet. I had to spell it out for you once again. Anyway, get my point now? Then stop attacking me for things I didn't say ok?
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Ummmm... Ott and Simon Posford are close friends... Ummmm... |
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Beartrap Machine
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 18:11
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Acidhive you are spamming up the whole thread with your useless and utterly childish comments.
People trying to read this thread entitled "Homophobia in the Psy scene" will have to sift through your crap that has nothing to do with the topic.
Are you 12?
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