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Homophobia in the Psy scene
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EYB
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:26
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On 2005-11-17 00:22, Nathan wrote:
to willy wonka:
Open Minded: to be open minded is a must situation to love every kind of music? Have u ever heard about taste?. ppl have taste. Psychedelic case in this point. Your Tate is not limited to psy. But I doubt that u like all kinds of music on earth.
TO EYB: man can be un natural and still be good man and respected as well as any body else.
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How can a natural produced, born human being, made of elements that are part of the universe, produced in stars be unnatural?
Natural as u use it is a very subjective adjective.
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Nathan
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:28
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On 2005-11-17 00:15, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 00:06, Nathan wrote:
What I said was to show clown that gay is not something that one become to. It is something that ppl born with.
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Still better than being a natural heterosexual born asshole if you ask me..
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I do not understand the meaning of this.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:29
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Thanks you Dimitri, it surely shows what kind of person you are.
Open minded, heh. "there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
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Nathan
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:30
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On 2005-11-17 00:26, EYB wrote:
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On 2005-11-17 00:22, Nathan wrote:
to willy wonka:
Open Minded: to be open minded is a must situation to love every kind of music? Have u ever heard about taste?. ppl have taste. Psychedelic case in this point. Your Tate is not limited to psy. But I doubt that u like all kinds of music on earth.
TO EYB: man can be un natural and still be good man and respected as well as any body else.
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How can a natural produced, born human being, made of elements that are part of the universe, produced in stars be unnatural?
Natural as u use it is a very subjective adjective.
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True.
that way our states of minds are opinions and not facts.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:35
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On 2005-11-17 00:29, Willy Wonka wrote:
Thanks you Dimitri, it surely shows what kind of person you are.
Open minded, heh.
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heh.. that may have been a bit over the top, but has nothing to do with open-mindedness. everything to do with taste.
being full of it and using bogus arguments shows adolescent bad taste. the fact that i am still giving you the benefit of the doubt by arguing with you is open-mindedness. 
hehe, this has digressed enough, I am done here.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:37
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On 2005-11-17 00:28, Nathan wrote:
I do not understand the meaning of this.
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It's not aimed at you don't worry.. 
Anyways, natural or not (and EYB's sentence about the subjectivity of the word "natural" is what I was thinking about with my slavery example), homosexuals are what they are, and some of them are nice people, some of them are less (heard about heterophobia already ? hehe), but they must not be judged about their sexuality.. basta.. Willing sex never killed anybody and homosexuality is not a contagious disease, so let them be, may they like Psytrance or not, hehe !!
I'm off to sleep now, so people please avoid offtopics here okay !?! cheerz all.
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Nathan
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:37
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On 2005-11-17 00:15, Willy Wonka wrote:
Nathan
ppl born neing nazis then! It is education and psychology rahter genes dear, Nathan. Investigate the subject more. PPL born bi-sexual, let's start from that because speaking objective if you clear your "fundamental" way of thinking you can make sex with both sexes and still enjoy it so it's up to your moral state and education (home/outside) in one word surrounding and psychology.
Some become gay, some don't! Some may become after bashing gays too much! Sweet dreams
Dimitri,
Noone said that gays have no rights to live, this is not being closed minded but sick hating bastard. CLosed minded person can't accept others and say it in most of the cases like you do always when it comes to cheeseness of non "real psy music".
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Maybe ppl born bi -sexual. I don't know if that's is true; but in the process they all become straits. the one who are not chancing the direction are un natural ok? imho. Because most of the world population is not gay.
Do u want me to show u how in some way I am un natural. I do not think that god exists. The natural thing is to believe in it. So I admit that in some way i am un natural to.
Logic but un natural.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:41
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On 2005-11-17 00:37, Nathan wrote:
I do not think that god exists. The natural thing is to believe in it. So I admit that in some way i am un natural to.
Logic but un natural.
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I was brought up in the atheist USSR and it took a strong willful effort to truly imagine that God might actually EXIST..
while kids brought up in religious families have to make a similar kind of effort to imagine that God may not exist..
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:43
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On 2005-11-17 00:37, Nathan wrote:
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Oh oh oh ohhhhh... so you're merging the word "natural" with the word "majority", you are doing it twice in your last post..
Hmm okay, this explains a lot of things in the way you're arguing..
Yalla bye bye..
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Nathan
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 00:43
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I am out for today. need to sleep
good night to all.
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Ott^
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 01:04
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On 2005-11-16 22:56, Nathan wrote:
To ott: have u red what Surrender posted about Ron?
Well now I have the same problem with one of my favorite artists – you!
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Because I dislike queer bashers?
If you think you can justify the idea that anyone on this Earth is somehow "unnatural" [and so, by definition, "inferior"] then I want you to know that I regard you as somebody to be spurned and avoided.
If you have a problem with me because I despise bigotry and ignorance then do me a favour and stop listening to my music.
It is specifically NOT made for people like you.
If you want to mail me any copies of my records you might have bought I'd be happy to refund what you paid for them.
Ok?
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DWH
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 01:14
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I don't understand why some people can't let other people be, and why they feel the need to complain about what goes on in their bedroom. And why should gay people not be aloud to express themselves?? Sure, I don't like the "Queer-eye"-programs to because I think that they ridicule the heterosexual guys, but then again this falls under the freedom of speech, and that's why I don't watch them or ask that they will be taken of the air.
Some people here should think again, because jumpin' at a minority like this, while being a part of another minority yourself (yes, the whole world DOESN'T listen to crappy psytrance) is only ignorant.
So stop bothering about whats natural and whats unnatural, and live your own life and let others live theirs. And if you can't stand the sight of queer-people, then don't visit pride-parades, gay-clubs or "queer-eye"-shows. It's as simple as that!!
(If there is anything unnatural here, it's those f**kin' hippies. But don't worry, they will soon be extinct from being undernourished by only eating rabbit-food..) |
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andrejcid
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 01:14
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everyone's trying to be open minded ey?
I understand...we r trancers, we r naturally openminded, the most openminded of 'them' all....
openminded openminded openminded openminded....all I read in every single thread. wtf do u think ur doing? I tell ya, your competition in showing who's more f*cking open minded is briliantly pathetic! talks alot bout current state of things....
my point is
will u pls stop using the openfuckingmindedness as an argument and start defending your own views by providing actual arguments?! u just get trapped in a deadend....u see, only few of us know eachother, and so we cant say what one is like in person. For that reason, try at least writing your views in an argued manner, defend them with suitable arguments, and if u feel u've changed your opinion thanks to a well argued answer provided by someone else, have the currage to admit it. if u feel uve insulted someone - be able to appologise. but an appology seems somehow hard around here, ppl seem to think they cant let anyone brake 'their' fake fucking ego they've gained by writing bulshit here which does not resemble their real personality and thoughts.
to the homophobs....dont worry, u r a class of your own. gays are still separated form the hetero population unfortunately, but that is about to improve considering the current state of developments and sexual liberation. whats fortunate tho is that u fuckin homophobic pricks are the ones that are and will remain to be pointed out as the SCUM.
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 01:21
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Can i? Just need to backup it, anyone got ripping softwares?
Dimitri,
don't be such a wall, you know what i mean, you can dislike something but when it comes to writting you can be subjective in what you write which has much more to do with closed mindness rather taste. I can call ppl who dislike gay and say it publicly, matter of sexual choice/taste. But there are some rude and not in right time and place thingies which make it closed minded and fundamental.
"there once was a lesbian from Cancun
who took a young man up to her room
where there argued all night as to who had the right
to do what, how much and to whom" |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 01:22
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Hmm okay, it was finally not time to sleep yet for me.
The existence of both threads, this one, and the one started later after the automatic lock of the first (because of offtopic that we had to delete in order to be able to unlock the thread) was useful in our opinion. So we finally decided, after having wondered about it, to merge them together because they obviously helped to realise that there is a problem in our scene. Yes, being homophobic is for us Isratrance team a worrying problem. And if we cannot influence what is going on in the psyscene we do want to do our possible here on this forum to avoid such inacceptable behavior. The Psychedelic Trance is a music that in essence goes to fish around various influences, geographical, temporal, and cultural so we simply cannot understand how come some lovers of this music be bashing this minority, or any other.
So, we decided to let this thread scattering in directions that some of you have noticed not being related to Psychedelic Trance at all. Some parts of the discussion have been interesting not to say useful, some less, like in every discussion, and we're happy with it. But, from now, after more than 20 pages "wide open" we would like the continuation of the thread to be directly related to the scene, please.
If we keep this offttopic, it will damage our integrity to challenge any other completely offtopic subject in the future, but again we thought it was important enough to let this one go.
Thank you for your understanding.
(And now I'd really like to go to sleep.. hehe) .
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