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orgytime
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Posted : Jun 15, 2008 19:38:55
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hey there,
i want to morph my room into a homestudio.
here it is: http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc44/orgytime/myRoom1.jpg?t=1213546082
the room is ~2,7m high
i would need some help with the noise-absorbent mats and so on...
- i want absorb sounds for good mixing
- i dont want to kill neighbors 1 floor downstairs
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for absorbing sounds for mixing, i thought of those common mats
http://www.technikhaus24.de/images/product_images/original_images/00041517abb.jpg
if im right, those mats only absorb sound over 500 Hz.
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for absorbing the sub basses, i thought of
- placing 1 basstrap in the right position (tell me if thats not possible)
- carpet (is a carpet under my workdesk enough or will i need a whole room carpet?)
- placing the monitors right, so that no "vibrations" are leaded directly into the ground (but how can i make that cheep? hanging them on the top? Noone lives above me^^)
building a second room in my room for perfect sound/absorbation is not possible at all, thats why i thought of those ideas
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i really dont know where i have to place the mats and how much i will need of them.
i hope this was not to much and you can understand me ^^
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avduka
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Posted : Jun 15, 2008 19:54
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if i was you i would put the desk where the window is. my room is almost the same and i have the desk where the window is. i know this kinda sucks because you are blocking the window, but the sound is much better because there is less reflections, in other words the music is defeating itself because of the waves bouncing off the wall. so best thing you can do for now is put the desk by the window and you will notice sound improvement instantly. |
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jun 15, 2008 20:04
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Assuming that this will be a dedicated home studio and nothing else, here are my advices :
1. Your desk/speakers must be positioned in the longest side of the room, the one that is 4.5m.
2. Apply the 38% rule. That is that your mix position(where you sit) should be at approximately 1.71cm from the front wall.
3. The carpet will not absorb any low freqs. Only high freqs.
4. Acoustic foam sucks but it's definitely better than nothing.
5. Your neighbors will still hear you no matter what you do. Acoustic treatment is totally different than sound isolation.
6. Sound isolation is out of the question in your case. Acoustic treatment will help you listen and mix better, and depending on how much bass absorption you'll have, it will minimize at some certain extent what your neighbors receive. But don't really expect anything significant if you mix/produce at high volumes.
7. For optimal bass absorption you need at least to place corner bass traps in all 4 corners from floor to ceiling. If not possible, the front wall corners MUST be treated this way no matter what.
8. 2" thick Acoustic panels in the first reflection points. That is on the front wall, on the side walls and on the ceiling. All of these panels must be placed exactly in the center between your mix position and the speakers. One thicker acoustic panel should be placed in the rear wall, centered with the mix position.
9. Optionally you can add 2 panels to the secondary reflection points. This is where each speaker reflects to its opposite side wall. Use the mirror method to find the exact spots.
10. Placing more acoustic panels straddled in the wall/ceiling corners, would be also great but how many should be determined after you did all the previous steps.
Depending on the budget you can buy ready made products or you can do it yourself, if you are handy with tools and have the time.
Edit : I didn't notice the window on the front wall, at first, but what i suggested still stands. The front wall acoustic panel could be placed in a stand. A friend told me once that the biggest mistake we make is that we believe we live, when in reality we are sleeping in the waiting room of life. |
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acidkills
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Posted : Jun 15, 2008 20:37
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orgytime
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 01:05
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thanks for taking time, alex you really helped me in my learning process from the beginning until now, thank you very much!
but there are some things i cant do...
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if i would place the desk ~1 m away from the window (38% rule), it would eat my living room, where i have to place my bed (2m x 1,5m) and some other livingstuff (no tv and no couch needed)
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if i would place the desk directly insfront of the window, that the 38% would be only ~16%, would i loose much sound quality?
-is the key here the gap between me and the speakers? or the gap between the backwall and the speakers?
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-i thought carpet is very important? what do you think?
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The problem is, i cant see what really important is, i cant see what connections/properties those things have to each other:
1. monitors quality
2. sound isolation
3. spot of the monitors
example- whats is outranking the other: 1000€ speakers, or 500€ sound isolation, or just a little movement of the speakers in the perfect spot for free?
you see, i really cant see whats important...
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i tell you my gear, maybe you could say whats the next impotant thing to change:
- studio monitors: TASCAM VL-A5 (270€)
- pc: intel core 2 duo, decent thing (1000€)
- 24” widescreen 1920*1080 (400€) (enough workspace for me)
- soundcard: Audigy 2 ZS (100€)
- no hardware (clavia nord lead or such stuff)
- soundisolation: none
- studio monitors position: really bad spot
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atm im alone in making musik, and i need a base for getting into the whole thing... its very hard to get all those informations for myself... i could do everything wrong and i wouldn´t notice it, because noone can tell me my mistakes, so please sorry for dump questions...
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 02:08
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Orgytime, that's why i said "assuming" because you didn't mention if the room would be a dedicated home studio or not.
So let's start.
In any case the desk has to be on the window side wall. This is according to the most important acoustic rule. The 38% rule most of the times is a pain in the ass for everyone.
In any case it's absolutely recommended that you leave as much space possible between the speakers and the front wall(when the 38% is not applied). In your case you need anyway to leave some space behind the desk so you can have access to the window. If you leave for example 50cm, then luckily your mix position will fall inside the minimum acceptable of the 38% rule which is 33%(assuming again that your desk depth is around 70cm plus another 30-40cm for the chair depth and plus the 50cm gap).
The speakers have to be aligned with the end of your desk and they must form an equilateral triangle between them and the mixing position. Get speaker stands as well, unless you already have.
Since you 're gonna have some stuff in the room, the acoustic treatment i'd recommend is this : corner traps on the front wall corners from floor to ceiling if possible(and on the rear wall corners if possible again), panels on the side walls and the ceiling as described in my previous reply. Thick velvet curtain would help a lot as you can't have a front wall panel because of the window.
This would be pretty much very ok for starters for your room. Carpet is not very important at all. In fact if you have the proper acoustic treatment in your room the carpet in not recommended at all.
In order of importance, the order is this(in my very personal opinion) :
1. Acoustic treatment
2. Monitors
3. DA converters
The list continues but not if everything is ITB and no recordings of any kind take place.
Acoustic treatment(not sound isolation) is far more important than the quality of the speakers. You can have the best monitors known to man, and in an untreated room they'll sound like shit. And average quality monitors in a well treated room would sound a lot better than them. The reason? If the room is untreated, then you hear the sound of the room first, and not the sound of the speakers. Acoustic treatment is all about minimizing the room's sound to the level that you don't hear it anymore and is not affecting the sound of your gear.
Your stuff is descent. Ok, the audigy is not, but if it works for you then it works for you. Your monitors are small, so normally you could do less in terms of bass absorption as they don't go low. But when you upgrade, you'll need that bass absorption. So keep that in mind and plan and buy according to your future needs as well.
Hope it helped a bit more.
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orgytime
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 09:21
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thx alex, one more thing, you said my stuff is shitty, that means to me you mean the speakers, because the other stuff is nice i would say (except the stuff im not owning^^)
what speakers would you buy for 300€?
u will have good carma ´cause of your kindness helping a noob 
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Suloo
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 10:06
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 11:25
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On 2008-06-16 09:21, orgytime wrote:
thx alex, one more thing, you said my stuff is shitty,
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When did i say that? I said exactly the opposite, that your stuff is descent, except your audigy.
With 300 euros you don't get anything. Stick with what you have at the moment, do whatever you can regarding the acoustics and start making music.
Zork, the stuff you mentioned is really cheap and tempting. Do you know where or did you find any lab data regarding the Basotect products?
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 12:27
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orgytime
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 12:51
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hey alex, my english is bad, but:
descent= fucked up
decent= good stuff
now i understand you^^
at the moment i only have 20€ speakers, and 300€ ready to spend for the TASCAM VL-A5 (270€)
thats why i asked you for the speakers,
i really cant wait with those 20€ speakers until i got 2000€, i have to get better ones, and after this little upgrade i can save the money for Dynaudio or the Adam...
so there have to be some speakers wich will be ok for about 1 year making music for 300€.
any sugestion?
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orgytime
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 15:28
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Suloo
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 18:34
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Yes regarding to what i`ve heard on gearslutz and earned through personal experiments in my room the long side is the way to go..so place your desk infront of the window..take care that your speakers have at least 50 cm space to the window(wall) and place yourself at 32% of the room..thats where the optimal position should be in that kind of room..i know it takes a lot of space in the room..but depends on you..
esi near 05 or event tr6 might be ok..but they sound like a can...honestly...save up for the A7 at least and learn to write and mix music on good speakers..it will take much further in less time..jmho
if you go for the 300 bugs versions then go for the esi i would say..
good luck!
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Adharaguy
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 19:04
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Hello there.
Continuing the question about accustic, i have a little question about the right possicion of my basstraps because one of my walls have a little "stair" in it, and i dont now if is better put the basstrap in the floor or in the coner.
Please see pict.
http://files.filefront.com/Basstrapesbmp/;10665633;/fileinfo.html
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orgytime
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Posted : Jun 16, 2008 19:45
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