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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 08:34
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the whole point of knowing the box is to skillfully avoid it 
greets,
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spudgun
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 11:51
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i'm pretty new to making music so this might sound like a dumb question to most here, but when you pan a sound, do you pan it equally to the left and right by making two copies and having one panned at left 20 and the other panned at right 20 (for example), so that the level is the same from both but sitting to the left and right of centre, or do you just leave one sound slightly more to one side.... does that make any sense what so ever?
also when you pan sounds how far to the left and right do you usually go?
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 13:30
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there are two 'situaltions' of panning.,., .,
panning a mono source and panning a stereo source,
panning a mono source creates two copies of the signal (one sent to left and one sent to right) .,
the pan knob regulates the relative level between these two signals.
so, when you turn the pan knob to the left the right signal will become less loud and the center of the sound appears to be more to the left..,
panning a stereo sound is very similar but instead of making two signals from one mono source it uses the two signals from the stereo source.,
but it also works by decreasing the level of one of the two signals.,
this is an important thing because when you pan hard (maximum) to one side you will not hear the other side at all.
so if you pan to the left then the right side just becomes less loud,. it does not travel to the left, it stays on the right channel.,
you need to remember this as it can give you surprises when there is a lot of panning already in the source sound.
for instance, if you have a sound that is panning with an LFO, going from side to side.,
and you pan this to one side.
you will then only hear half the sound!., so you hear it only when it pnas to the same side as you panned the channel.,
there are some special forms of panning that can shift a stereo field between L & R ., (i think this is what you were thinking of)
but they are not normaly implemented in mixer channels.,
you will need dedicated plugins for that., (cant remember which ones)
about level in general, normal panning (both mono and stereo) decreases the level of one of the signals,
so when you pan had left or right you will lose about 6db of level (!!) because only one of the two signals is present.
there are forms of panning that can compensate for this., they call it circular panning i think.,
they just reduce the overall level of the channels when the pan knob is in center position., this way the level stays the same when you pan.,
greets.,
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 13:33
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On 2004-09-24 11:51, spudgun wrote:
i'm pretty new to making music so this might sound like a dumb question to most here, but when you pan a sound, do you pan it equally to the left and right by making two copies and having one panned at left 20 and the other panned at right 20 (for example), so that the level is the same from both but sitting to the left and right of centre, or do you just leave one sound slightly more to one side.... does that make any sense what so ever?
also when you pan sounds how far to the left and right do you usually go?
cheers
spudgun
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No point in it. Panning the same sounds the same to each side will make it mono.
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spudgun
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Posted : Sep 26, 2004 13:21
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thanks zildoggo and mike a, i see what your saying and i appreciate the help.
just wondering though, wouldn't panning something to one side make it sound a bit lop sided. do you then have to pan something to the other side to balance it out, or do you just pan it enough so as you can't really tell.
thanks again
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 26, 2004 14:15
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if you use extreme panning you usualy should balance it with something else.,
but actually, as long as you are happy with the end result anything goes.,
through history there were a lot of different panning techniques., (partially limited by technology)
now you can basically do whatever you like.,
the more you learn about sound and perception of sound, the more ways you will find to pan a sound.,
you can, for instance, make a sound sit firm on one side of the stereo image while both L & R channels are at full level with that same sound!!.,
look up some stuff in goolge about human hearing depth perception and stuff.,
there are several elements in sound that trick your brain into thinking it's hearing something from a certain location.,
normal panning as seen on most mixers is just one of those elements.,
greets.,
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