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Conny
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 14:09
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I have a long time ignored the importance with panning instruments.
Many times i´ve read that you should keep the bass in the middle but i believe the opposite.I pan the bass slightly and it leaves a lot of room for other instruments and sounds much more proffesional.I experience the same thing with other instruments.How do you all pan your instruments ?
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 14:12
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depends ..... i never read article that bass must be mono ...but sometimes perccusion (kick ,snare , hihats) should be mono to sound better and leave the pan room for more exciting instruments like synthesizer ....
your mix is your mix , you decide what to do there ...
how i mix ...
kick , bass , perccusion(unless it's bongo's i want in stereo) on mono lines
synthesizers on stereo line |
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Mike A
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 16:13
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Bass loses power when it's on stereo. Proven fact.
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 16:20
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where is been prooven , Mike ?
i do hear that mono bass sound way better but i never read someshit about....provide article .... |
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 16:44
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I too use always mono bass, kick and parts of percussion (most hihats) are mono.
Fx are panning around, synth also, or they are phased with a delay to get a fat stereo effect.
But all this without routine, it always depents on the track and it flow. For example i use bass/kick panning fx for breaks.
A good panning is always very important for a good track and a good mix.
It good panning means not that all instruments and fx are panned, u have to use the whole area, from left throught the (mono)mid to right to get a full image in the track.
U can use waves paz analyser to see and headphones to hear ur stereo panning.
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EYB
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 16:51
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On 2004-09-23 16:20, Sektor666 wrote:
where is been prooven , Mike ?
i do hear that mono bass sound way better but i never read someshit about....provide article ....
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Bass is mostly low frequencies that are harder to know where they are from for our brain. U know this from ur home cinema, u can put the subwoofer anywhere in the room and hear in the room everywhere the bass almost the same. So this makes not much sense to pan it.
The other point is if u use pseudo-stereo effects like a phased delay, frequencies will erase each other so the power will be away.
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Trip-
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 18:29
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Panning is as important for a mix as an Eq or channel volume.... any leveling for that matter.
I pan alot -
synth....acoustic recordings... vocals.... percussion material... double or tripple channeling... everything involves panning.
Many times I pan certain freq ranges and not the whole channel. Creates spatial and source direction feelings.
About the bassline - a mono signal would prolly sit best on top not panned, but managing mono signals creating stereo images is possible with the bassline - using the pan and double channeling.
Mixing is still a big world and panning is a powerfull tool for that.
Crackling universes dive into their own neverending crackle...
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Input
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 19:10
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all percussions mono except some effected ones which i prefer stereo- bassline sometime stereo sometimes mono- rest of the sounds mostly stereo but no rules 4sure,
Trip,
'Many times I pan certain freq ranges and not the whole channel. Creates spatial and source direction feelings. '
nice idea,
Space is the place
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 19:31
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about bass.,
i agree totaly that there is no sense in panning the low part of a bass., our brains cannot extract directional information from low tones.,
but there is nothing against panning (or otherwise screw up) the harmonics!
anyway, it's best to have the low end mono because:
a) the effect is very small., the lower the frequency the less directional info.,
b) you will transfer more bass energy to the air.
imagine you have a bass in mono.,
this means that both left and right channel play the same thing at the same time at the same level.,
now imagine you will pan the bass.,
normal panning is making a difference in level between L and R channel.,
so when you pan you make one channel less loud than the other.,
so now there will be less total bass energy in the mix
(simply because one side has become less loud)
you could say that you can make the bass a little louder by raising the overall level..,
but then you will also raise your required headroom.,
to get the panned bass equally loud to the un-panned bass, one side has to be a lot louder.., and then you have a big chance of going over 0db.,
so usually the best option for bass is to divide the energy more or less equally between the channels (making it mono)
a little panning doesnt hurt.,
but if you pan too much in the bass region you could be throwing away energy and resolution.,
same goes for kick and bass.,
people often make the bass in between the kicks.,
this is to make sure both kick and bass will get full energy from the P.A.
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OIL
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 20:04
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how do i make the kick and bass be mono? |
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Hayez
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 20:19
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Use them in a mono track. If they are not mono, convert them to mono with audio editor.
If it's instrument then you can use just the left output. |
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Input
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 20:20
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if you're using a sample for the kick, send it to mono channel-
if your bass source is stereo, export it into mono channel-
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OIL
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Posted : Sep 23, 2004 20:43
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k thx |
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orange
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 00:52
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but iff a kick or a bass in a stereo channel have the exact same volume in the peak meters both ledft and right the sound is steel mono????
to explain better what i mean is that you can load abass (synth or sample)and the peak metters play exactly the same thing left or right with no phasing no nothing between them the output to our ears is like mono right??
and something more when u use a chorus in the bass it widenns the sound more is this making left right problems if the channel u use synth or sample is stereo??
cos in my ears it sounds fatter and better some times but the peak meters saw differences in the left right
but normal panning on bass its not something i would recomend for a strong and ass kicking resolt cos in a pa system the guys from the one side are gonna have stomach dancing and the others on the other side want hear almost no bass
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Posted : Sep 24, 2004 03:08
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I record my basses off hardware to stereo tracks. This leaves me more flexibility for abnormal FX, and tweaks. Also to apply stereo insert FX if need, which quite often they are.
Thing is... Do what you want. If you think it sounds cool, go with it. Technical terms are just figures, this doesn't mean you can't step outside the box every now and then.
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