Ryu-X
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 04:05:23
Hey guys, i hope some people can help me with my problem, i am looking to produce HiTech (well i just started producing so it will take an assload of time till i achieve it), i tried different stuff to get a bassline sounding like Insector, Paralocks, etc. but i failed a hundred times.
I tried it with (K)(B)(B)(B) with shifting the notes to create a groove but it just doesnt sound like a HiTech Bassline.
I tried almost every possible A/D/S/R Combination to get the flow right but maybe i just missed something ?
I know learning by doing is the key, i try hard but maybe some of you have experience and can point me in the right direction!
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 16:02
Hey Moss,
Nice examples +10 for having the DAW screenshots.
Lot's of goodies in there, but I wanna understand and make it better From your screenshots I see you use a similar chain in both basslines: a synth to make the noise -> an eq and filter if the synth doesn't have eq/filter -> G Sonique Saturator / Quadrafuzz (order differs) -> compressor -> Parametric EQ.
Nothing wrong with this at all, but do you always follow this formula? like a pre-conceived model you must apply? Try breaking free of it, using other chain orders and stuff -> I usually start my basslines with a synth VST (none in particular, but if I had to choose one it would be Operator) and tweak it until I cant get it better, and if I need to do something the synth wont allow me (like saturation and compression in Operator, of filtering in VB1), I'd slap a corresponding effect after it. The result is all my basslines have different chains. however, two examples aren't enough to judge your workflow
Also, the quadrafuzz has almost the exact same preset and values for both basslines (only the slope changes), although they are apart, so I must ask: have you tweaked it in order to get it sounding the best you could, or have you just slapped it on and left it as is? Same goes for the compressor, the two VSTi's you used are quite different but nonetheless the compressor values are the same except for the output gain, meaning that one synth is playing at a lower volume than the other, so you should at least tweak the threshold, attack and release of the compressor to get the desired effect.
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Ryu-X
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 16:57
Hey guys, thanks for the effort !!
I just downloaded your samples and got to say: AWESOME! Thanks for the pictures, this definitely helps me. I prefer the Alien 303 Bassline more. I think i might also try saturation and distortion. My quadrafuzz version looks quite different, but i will see that i can make out of it.
I see your compressor settings but sidechain is not activated in your compressor ? (at least the icon doesnt light up like it should/or like it does on my version of cubase).
Thanks for pointing me the direction, i will post as soon as i am home to try it out BooooOOOOoooM !!
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Moss
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 17:09
I dont use sidechain compresion on K&B i record everything in audio,only bass is midi.,so i dont need it..
This work best for me and Im happy with my basslines..
I usualy make presets and then I use it and tweak how i want...
I dont falow any rulz,everything is in ear....
I have alot Custom made presets for Quadrafuzz,x bass 4000.etc, and i just put what i want and tweak it little to get sound i want.
Sometime i use bitcrusher on bass...,thers no rule Kompresor is here to get dinamic range..
My bass is always on -12dB and kick -10dB and everything is build around that,so is good to have custom preset for that...
Ryu-X
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 17:34
I dont understand why you dont need to sidechain the Kick and Bass when they are rendered to audio ? The Frequencies, if played at the same time, will still kill each other (because there is no room anymore) no matter if they are produced by a VST or if they are an Audio Track, or am i completely wrong ? Please explain this to me, i need to understand Thanks _________________________
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Moss
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Posted : Jan 24, 2013 18:38
my kick is in audio and bass in midi.
On bass i add how much sustain i want,and thers no masking.
If u want beter results without sidechaining u can sample your bass..
sorry bro my english is not so good so I cant explain U better.
But just look this video, I use same tehnics..
or if u want superclear K&b sample your bassline
tell u bro thers nno rulz for this...
Everybody have some diffrent tehnics.
U decide what work bast for U...sidechain,sampling..etc..
I have my way and Im happy with it
Cheers...
Ryu-X
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Posted : Jan 25, 2013 06:45
Thanks alot for the videos.. i understand now, but still it is really hard to get hold of this technique in cubase, its not as easy as drag here, drop there like in the video, but i took my time and sampled every single instrument of the test project i made earlier.
Seems like its all better in the mix now, but i guess it would be easier for me to first make the song with the VSTs and in the end to the sampling and apply the desirend compression EQ on it.
Or would it be better to sample it with EQ already applied, or with EQ and compression both already applied ? Does it even make a difference?
I updated the soundcloud version, i hear a subtle difference, but like i said it seems better in the mix now.
Till i am able to have such a good workflow like in the video i will have to find out how to do things Audio Wise in Cubase (its all different and all seems a little bit complicated, i had to SOLO the Instrument and select everything and Shift+G it and then make a audio mixdown that i put in the Audio Pool and created a new Layer with it).
Not quite as easy as the Drag and Drop thingy hehe.
I guess it just needs time for me to be able to optimize my workflow.
Thanks again guys, other tips already welcome if there are any left _________________________
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Posted : Feb 4, 2013 18:22
yes, if you take the sampling route, you should get the sound right on the synth, but I wouldn't compress it. mix decisions are made in context: with another Kick you'll want to EQ another way...
the lenght of the kick is important, even when using sidechain. and also the tunning of it, in relation with the bass. sidechain is not only a NEED, it's also, plenty of times, an FX - and it can work wonders... Some miliseconds make all the diference in the world, when it comes to tweaking the compressor's envelopes.
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Posted : Feb 20, 2013 14:39
+10 for having the DAW screenshots.
From your screenshots I see you use a similar chain in both basslines: a synth to make the noise -> an eq and filter if the synth doesn't have eq/filter -> G Sonique Saturator / Quadrafuzz (order differs) -> compressor -> Parametric EQ.
