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Xsze
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Posted : Feb 18, 2012 21:43
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It's real deal to make your own percs, but sometimes quality sample is just what you need.
I use samples for hats,crashes,snares and other good ethnic instruments.
i don't have good mic to record them, don't want to waste my time on synthesising those elements, like TimeTraveller said organic is the real shit.
and you can process every sample to fit your vision, even to make something totally different like PsiloCybian in his tutorial.
as far i'm concern kicks are only thing i bother with 
It's really up to individual and his vision of his music, and in the end of the day I didn't hear anyone at party talking "yo man did you here, that's VES2 50 crash sample " 
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untilthereislight
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Posted : Feb 18, 2012 22:35
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On 2012-02-18 21:43, Xsze wrote:
and in the end of the day I didn't hear anyone at party talking "yo man did you here, that's VES2 50 crash sample "
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Exactly my thoughts hehe...
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Larrikin
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Posted : Feb 19, 2012 03:13
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Feb 19, 2012 06:22
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On 2012-02-18 21:43, Xsze wrote:
It's real deal to make your own percs, but sometimes quality sample is just what you need.
I use samples for hats,crashes,snares and other good ethnic instruments.
i don't have good mic to record them, don't want to waste my time on synthesising those elements, like TimeTraveller said organic is the real shit.
and you can process every sample to fit your vision, even to make something totally different like PsiloCybian in his tutorial.
as far i'm concern kicks are only thing i bother with
It's really up to individual and his vision of his music, and in the end of the day I didn't hear anyone at party talking "yo man did you here, that's VES2 50 crash sample "
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you have good points here man, and definitely will never hear someone on the dance floor "thats the sample from so-and-so". I agree a sample is just what you need sometimes. however, I definetly have more fun trying to make my own
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 19, 2012 11:50
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On 2012-02-18 20:56, Equilizyme wrote:
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On 2012-02-18 16:52, dj chichke wrote:
Vengeance Sample packs are awesome for this.
I don't see any point to make it buy yourself.
The overall sound of my tracks jumped 2 levels when i started to use vengeance samples.
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ya but everyone has heard those samples a million times. if you are going for the standard sound sure, but synthesis gives more unique results. also there are less boundaries with synthesis than samples
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But it's just hats and crashes. Those are not the main things in your track. If you told me the same on vengeance effects i would understand.
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 19, 2012 16:02
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agree it s not big deal..it s just for own fun and satisfaction if one like to synthetize all these kind of things, it can open room for creative tweaks too and get something more unic in the end but even out of sample it s possible but not as much.
when you make your own drums it sit effortless in the mix as you tweak them on the synth in context to the other sounds ,thats a other big avantage |
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Architekt
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 08:51
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Technique that I use every time and works for me:
Get a mid range punchy tight crash. Cut out any low freqs that will interfere with kick etc. This will give you your explosive sound on the kick. Put some reverb on it with pre delay to extend the sample. Put an effect on it that warps the sound, automate the effect to come in on the tail of the crash (which has been extended by the reverb).
Add on top a high downlift sound, white noise style. Put a sidechain compressor on it. Send the main crash as the input to the sidechain compressor. Use a widening effect. Automate the widening effect to widen the sound as it decreases in pitch around the same time as the effect on the crash comes in. This will stop it interfering with the frequencies of the main crash.
Get a low freq downlift white noise sound. Remove high frequencies that may interfere with other sounds. Add sidechain. Send main crash to sidechain.
A final trick, as the low freq downlift comes to an end, have it 'warp out' into another synthesised sound, so it 'stamps out' the tail of the downlift, if you know what I mean. This makes the overall production sound tighter.
Hope this helps and gives you some ideas! You can check the results out on my recent tracks on my soundcloud.
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Taisto
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 17:03
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Architekt: nice products at soundcloud from you.
To me hotquality (24bit analogsample) is the thing up to i'm buying analog hardware of my own. Digital vst synth noise will never satisfy my taste to replace hothihats/crashes..
Especially real 808 and 909 analog samples are in different league. |
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 17:35
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yeah if you want 808 or 909 sounds there is no point trying to replace them ,but the hats are just 6 bit or 12 bit samples in the 808 and 909 if i m right,it s not that hard to get more hifish sound specially for the closed hat,crash is more diffucult to synthesis.
imo noise hats are good if you want to mimic old cheap drum machines, the one made with fm or ring modulation have way more sparkle , the sample in the TR 909 and 808 are probably made like this.
i find it s possible to get great result with plugins and some processing to give more depth, but i m a bit tired of these 909 sound, i would never use a 909 CH like this in a modern tune anymore i like more the one i make in plugins (but still use TR sample for layering )..909 sound to much 96 wihtout any processing /layering and its soon 20 years i hear it every day give me a break ! |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 18:04
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 18:11
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dunno mate, 808 have no idea and 909 i think are samples generated but the controls are analog
i m checking on the net and on the 808 it seems sample are used just for the rim shot
hand clap and cowbell
the hats are generated by 6 analog square wave oscillators ,no noise based like i was saying , hats made with only noise tend to sound like the cheap old drum machine when not processed |
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Alien Bug
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 18:18
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 18:30
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have to try the 6 square on zebra to make the hats, band pass filters are used too probably self osccilating a little like on the mbrane...that probably really tricky or impossible to emulate but to get great hats it could work nicely. |
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 18:42
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btw the mbrane is really cool to make drums but tricky to program.. have to try for hats i m sure it can make great ones
here demo from jomox all mbrane dry
http://jomox.de/upload/audiodemos/MBrane11Demo3Master.mp3
for psytrance snares and percussion i like it a lot but sounds need a good dose of processing to sound modern..it s tricky to program to get great result too, need some hours of tweaking first to get used to the control.
whne you start twisting the knobs you can get instant minimal techno percussion and modulation..your percs become leads.. a other avantage of drums synthesis to modulate the drums in all direction to make them evolve |
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Taisto
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Posted : Feb 20, 2012 22:46
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Maybe i wont never get hands on real 909 or 808, but other hardware synth is ok too. What i mean is i'm looking for some more character from sound what comes highs, otherwise they can get boring or even annoying, too clean.
All sounds can be processed a lot later, but for me what matters the most is that sound character what i cant change, i can just boost it to get the harmonics out differently (tube, bitcrush, distort, saturation..)
If most of the synths are digital vsti in entire track, drums (highs, percussion etc.) should stand out more deep for me at least, or some other elements (analog pads, effects) of the track.
But never say never, i cant wait to get hands on vsti tool which breathes as goods than analog life.
What i have hear Synplant (http://soniccharge.com/synplant) is one of good ones that has character to my taste so far, but thats not hihats though..
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