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Highpass the very lows of a kickdrum?
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 06:26
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On 2011-09-24 06:21, Maine Coon wrote:
A related question:
If we are high-passing our signal at 30 Hz (or 20Hz as 00 Fleming suggests) - why not do it once and for all on the master? Or at least on the whole kick-bass group. It's the same filter with the same settings, isn't it?
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sure, you can,that is what a mastering engineer will do.
just is with any filtering and eq, be always aware that phase comes into play here. even the subtlest of eq on the low ends can change the dynamics of a track dramaticaly. not saying don't do it, just be aware of everything, and don't brickwall, roll off gently.
 
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 06:45
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So, the best way may be not to filter/EQ the lows at all. Instead, we can just make sure they are not there to begin with. For example, when you synthesize your kick, don't use sub-base, if it falls below 30 Hz.
Like I said many times before: when I go to the symphony, I can't help noticing that they sound great without any EQ. And I am sure in their practice time they are not discussing phase distortion.
On the other hand, trying to mix my own "music" without EQ always yields the same result: muddy mess.
Don't know whether it's a limitation of electronic music in general or we just don't generate our sounds as carefully as symphony players do.  |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 08:06
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don't forget that at the symphony these are many times acoustically perfect spaces with amazing sweet spots, and yes, phase is one of the biggest factors in making a good acoustic space. these are designed with care for exactly these things.
also at the symphony everything is tried and tested and far less experimental than trying to mix synthesis twerps.
also, it is very hard to synthesize something that will not have any low end. it is never a brickwall, especially if we are talking recorded sounds - the mic, the cables, the converters, the whole process will always introduce some low hum/rumble. even if your monitors don't go that far down, digitally the data is there.
i do think it is better to do it yourself, it gives you a much better picture digitally of the relations between the kick and bass. when you eq the ultra lows it will often change the volume of the sound (and again, very important, the phase also!), those changing whatever levels you want on your faders and sometimes the whole dynamic feel of the kick/bass combo of your track.
just trust yourself, don't cut too much, use a gentle roll, and you will be ok.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 10:59
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Great explanations.
Thanks for clearing these things up.  |
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daark
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Posted : Sep 24, 2011 18:05
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first thing is what and why you want to do?
look at it? what is the low freqs? why you want them removed? what is all the process?what it changes and affects ?
to remove this rumble is best left for mastering... to avoid wierd phase changes...best thing is to create a source without all this rumble than to cut and cut....
It is depending on the mix what to cut and where to cut bass or to cut the kick... or to cut them both or to cut the whole mix together.
My advice would be is to leave it. No cutting untill the CD mastering and get the source you want and make the music you want don't get a hold back because you think to cut 22hz master or to cut 20000hz master. Just leave it like that. You can cut it anytime in the future after the mix is done. Cut only what sounds 1000% better and it is the sample you want to have. Imho. Try it out!
http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Sep 25, 2011 01:53
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Forget about numbers and mathematics , Try feel the physics
of any/Each sound by judge him per 'Weight' and spacious .
Each track got his own story so you decide where bring/Take it to .
Actually this is more about what you want to get .
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