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high shelfs Vs harmonics in low end
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zabot
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Posted : May 14, 2011 22:57:49
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hi freaks 
this is the point. in 6 years I've been studied A lot of stuff in music production ... and I have seen many E.Q tricks and tips about the low end ...
now i think we don´t need to be perfectionist about this harmonic stuff when e.q the low end... (kick and bass)...
I have seen a lot of pro guys working and noticed they don´t care about to much whit this low end mania... just simples high shelfs do the right job....
i think this post can help many ppl have this low end mania (I also suffered with this syndrome to hehe ).... don´t need to be to much perfectionist just do it simple....
and trust you years 
What do you guys think about this?
all the best for all
cheers !
  thoughts become things
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dj chichke
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Posted : May 15, 2011 00:26
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mudpeople
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Posted : May 15, 2011 00:42
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I think thats a good technique if your lows are bleeding over into the mid-mid and over range. The low end elements usually don't need to have presence in that high of a freq range, anything over 750hz, depending on the style and instrument, can safely be chopped off in my ears. The kick drum usually has some presence in the high-mid range, the 'thok' I call it to go with the 'thoof'.
(I usually cut out form 250hz-ish area to about 2khz-ish area almost entirely, maybe -18 or -24db, on my kicks)
I read a post by Nikita Penta in a bassline thread on here somewhere, who said that he doesn't even EQ his basses. He said, if i recall, that his idea is that the bass should be pure and dynamic as it can be, and everything else should be EQed to fit around the bass. Of course, this is only one guy's technique, and for his psytrance, his electro-house work I dont know, the basses in Azorsky tracks that Ive heard are more low-mid to high-mid range typical for house, though i guess wiht more minimal synth work its not necessary to EQ even with peak bass freqs that high... Im only guessing from what Ive heard, i dont really know. Also he mentioned using the Alien303  (Which has some decent sounds but personally i prefer ABL2 for software-303)
The final word, in my opinion and ears, is that the bass is not important. To me in my own work the bass is the background, the foundation for the synths to stand on and filler for the frequencies, not the main focus. Ive worked hard to make my basses nice and clean, but at the same time I never spend all that much time (anymore, though once upon a time...) making the sound PERFECT. That's effort best spent on synths. Just making sure the sub frequencies are cut off is enough for my purposes, a low-shelf at around 20hz during post-processing sounds fine to me.
So yeah I agree with you wholeheartedly! Get good at making clean basses, but don't forget that you don't need to do much to them to make them clean, and its a fine line between just-enough-for-clean and too-much-now-its-muddy, if in doubt, PULL THAT EQ OUT and see how it sounds.
Try to work around the clean, pure dynamic bass, and EQ only when absolutely necessary, a high or low shelf, or bandpass filter (if you have one with -48db cutoff, 8 node, those work like laser surgery for frequencies, I usually set the freq to 200hz and give it maybe 50% Q to start with, maybe less, then raise the frequency til the sub-bass woof is cut off, and voila Ive EQed the bass ) works just fine. Filtering is essentially equivalent to EQing, anyway, just with a different interface.
*Beware of plugins coloring the sound, EQ as well as filter*, something liek Sonalksis's TBK, or Renoise's native Filter 3 are a couple examples of filters that don't color sound, also both have -48db option.
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Vermeee
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Posted : May 15, 2011 23:31
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+1 for everything u guys said...
i have a feelings that when i dont mess wiht my kick and bass too much they get better than when i spend times and times tryin to find the perfect eq , perfect compresion etc etc etc....
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Chemogen
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Posted : May 16, 2011 00:55
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PoM
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Posted : May 16, 2011 01:22
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it all depends the sources sounds, its not really possible to make any rules except sources is what matter the most . good musicans and good recording lead to a great sounding mix. in electronic music it s the same imo, good source is what matter... sometimes we try hard to turn shit into gold and we compromise the sound this way but often we don t have the choice anyway. |
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makus
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Posted : May 16, 2011 14:11
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On 2011-05-15 00:26, dj chichke wrote:
what do you mean harmonic stuff? you mean about that the bassline and the kick will be at the same note?
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I guess Zabot meant harmonic distortion caused by eq filters, no?
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if yes. i beleive it's not so important at fast music. i think low end mania is good till some point. it's quite important to have good low end in dance music but at some point when you fill you got good low end, it would be better to live it.
and it's better not to try to imitate other low end too much, because it's very hard to copy sound totally and it's better to be little bit different!
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Now I am judging from my own experience only, but I got much better results with having kick and bass tuned into the same pitch. It is audibly pleasant and also brings kinda proper feelings. Maybe its just me though
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