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high pass the bass and add subs ?
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OhmLine
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Posted : Mar 18, 2008 14:53:05
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Hiya.
Was wondering if it'll be a good idea to high pass a bassline (kbbb) and add the subs from a 2nd synth (kb_b).
To be honest, it didn't sound too good when i tried it last night....
Any experience/suggestions/ideas on the subject ?
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Posted : Mar 18, 2008 16:30
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Elad
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Mar 18, 2008 19:31
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Elad: what's your method for adding a separate sub bass and making sure it sounds nice together with the punchy bass?
I was messing around with it some time ago but never really got something I liked, and these days I find it easier to just program a fat patch that has all the required frequencies.
The reason I'm asking is because I'd like to use vb1 for a track. I like the bounciness of it but the tiny low end never really sounded nice to me.... |
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sly
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Posted : Mar 18, 2008 20:10
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i think with layering you can achieve good results, especially in prog tracks.
but to be honest, i don't like it very much doing it myself.
i guess it's more difficult to tweak than just a stright fat bassline from a good synth, especially for fullon.
i prefer one kick and one bassline anyhow. but maybe it's just a problem of my skills.
@elad: this is why i'm also interested to get some advices how to layer 2 basslines properly. maybe i will start a new try. thanks in advance |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 18, 2008 20:28
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Kitnam
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Posted : Mar 19, 2008 00:27
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what you explain here ohm is about routing/bus-sending technics. which offer a deep range of possibilities, and addings subbass is just one part of it. i would tend to call it: "metamixing" and everything related to splitting/sending(even fx)/routing is a part of it in my eyes.
what i have found out about such kind of mixing for myself is:
metamixing doenst work very good without a solid and clean mix. so it wont make something bad sounding good or wont make something weak sounding tight.
but(!) it has many very interesting possibilities to improve your sound, giving it the final top design like finalising a gem.
there are exceptions - like what colin explained or simple sidechaining kick/bass or producing directly with reverb/delay-sends + masterbus-effects. but a mix needs to be stable at first - it must not sound amazingly fantastic - but stable and playable at this state without such metamixing effects. in my opinion.
besides of that and about the possibilities:
you can split hihats, synthlines, drums, everything not only your bass. the bass is one of the hardest to do, because sub-frequences doent like mistakes very much.
the pro is that you can lay effects differently seperated by frequences but on the same sound. this is killer for drums for example but even for any synth and from what i do and what i hear others do, it all is related to try to emulate the valve-feeling. in other words: distortion and distortion related effects. but you can also use compression(NY school on drums) and other things what come to your mind. but soft distortion sending is for sure the most important.
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OhmLine
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Posted : Mar 19, 2008 01:30
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Thank you guys.
Elad, thanks for the directions 
Colin, thanks for the encouragement, still (as always) looking for them "right sounds", I'll listen to some more of Tron's stuff.
KitnaMantik, thank you for expending the layering idea. I completely agree that the foundation has to be good and solid and that efx/bussing is for enhancing purposes (unless of course you want the fx to be an integral part of the sound, but that is a part of the "there are no rules in psytrance producing" area which I don't want to go into 
I'll certainly try to layer some more stuff, long and short samples, harsh and harmonic stuff etc.
Peace.
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tjaal
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 02:39
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i have a question about it, maybe someone can help
i used to think about doing these things.. like using 3 kinds of basslines toghether, the same bassline processed in different ways, one with hi-pass, the other just the low frequencies, etc...
but could it make any phase problem?
how to solve it..
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 03:10
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Don't imagine problems where there may be none It's very difficult to suggest solutions for problems that may have many sources. Try it... if things start sounding phasey or like they're cancelling out, THEN you can start investigating what might be the problem. Until then, just go for it!
You seem to be talking about layering 3 sounds together (or three versions of the same sound, something I personally wouldn't do), all playing the same notes at the same time, to make a composite sound - obviously this will need a certain amount of care and attention, and the application of a certain level of technical skill (unless you have a good dose of beginner's luck ) to make sure all aspects of each sound are working together with the other sounds, and not against each other. However there are obviously other ways of using multiple bass sounds that don't lead so easily to the possibility of the problems you mention, such as making the three sounds play different rhythms that don't coincide... interlocking rhythms that together make a single bassline with sonic syncopations and variations in tone which push the track along... The important thing here I think would be to make sure that none of the components of the bassline overlap, or if they do, they overlap in a controlled way that takes into account the frequency-ranges of each component... with bass, control is everything, and knowing precisely what's going on with your sound, and knowing which tools to use to control particular aspects of it, will help you shape your sounds in many more ways than just dealing with phase problems.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 03:25
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On 2008-03-20 02:39, tjaal wrote:
i have a question about it, maybe someone can help
i used to think about doing these things.. like using 3 kinds of basslines toghether, the same bassline processed in different ways, one with hi-pass, the other just the low frequencies, etc...
but could it make any phase problem?
how to solve it..
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by applying a minimal phaser so your sound doesn't cancel out...
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tjaal
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Posted : Mar 20, 2008 20:58
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thnx for the tips colin and upavas!!  |
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