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dharmatronic
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 13:31
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priceless topic!! tks guys
I'm pretty close to say that percussion arrangement is the way to go. despite of all that we have discussed so far (which I totally agree), for me ppl who can manage how to properly build a set of drums (bringing up different elements for plates, hh, drums, tons, time signature and so on) are easily capable to bring that pro feeling.
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 14:25
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One more thing ..
Theres a story around i hear many years about -6 on the Master , Well .. Why limiting the daw power if you can "Limit" the sound (Vol) himself - Then open it from the inside of the compressor again with an right work on most important 3 elements : Channel vol' to 1/4 , Eq - Down sound maximum down Up/High sounds maximum up (If its high sound cut the low And if its low sound cut the high's , Then compressor , You will get your sound live again , With an more air and so space inside on the right vol .
When i open a new project and work my soundcard vol' Are allways up .. To maximum (So i can hear whats going ..) The Cubase master chanel 00:00 , No need more No need less , This is the ideal , The mix down start from there .
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 14:35
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 14:59
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I have come to the conclusion that the proper usage and quality of reverb is what makes productions sound high-end. If a track has a cohesive roomfeel and every element sits in the right place in a three dimensional space, it sounds high quality and professional. The best tweakage on your synths sounds unprofessional if the reverb is wrong or non-existent. It might sound cool, but not high-end.
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 21:32
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DH, is your average dBFS -18?
I go by the rule of -6db as peak... a mastering guy told me he prefers to get the files at -3db peak, I guess it saves him to put a gain stage into the mastering process.
It would be interesting to hear how -18dBFS would come across with lots of analog gear attached in the mix... wondering if it would be all that good...
+1 on your previous post, the better you can hear...
and many of us have been training their ears for years now...
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makus
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 23:05
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 07:07
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If you read the blog, you'll see that the author talks about mixing the kick in at -18dBFS and then mixing everything according to the kick.
I don't mix like that by the way, I mix the kick in at -10dB, but if I had an outboard mixer, I would follow that rule of thumb as well.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 15:02
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it equal -12 db peak i think it s fine for digital too, i mix /master that way personally with vu meters as even some analog emulation plugin work -18dBFS equal zero db over than that it can sound like you drive it, what ever sound good ...
for my analog gears they all have different sweet spots and can handle very hot signal, gain staging is very important but-18dBFS is good starting point |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 15:59
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 17:33
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It is experience, knowing you equipment and having the knowledge on mixing.
I know psy acts that produce using only daw, interface and monitors as you said. Guys who are releasing on top labels and produce on M-audio bx5 and cracked vsts.
But they have a super ear, years of experience and know the technology in and out.
There is no holy grail to give punch to your mix despite what description on audio units say. Yeah, some plugs and machines will give certain edge, so again it is all about sound sources and knowing how to mix.
It is not just about percussion, or bassline or reverb. It is the right use of all the elements on a track. Tight percussion, balanced bassline and a well written score will create a good mix that some stuff can make shine even more if it is good already.
Wouldn't know much about analog summing since I don't even have the money to think on that solutions right now, but that is no problema as I already said, looking at some good producers around that do wonders on more or less crappy conditions makes me feel inspired.
So I'd suggest stop thinking too much about quality, cause you won't get Ido Ophir or Protoculture's pristine ears overnight nor a machine that could enhance your sound that much, so better get nice sources and make nice tunes.  |
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 18:08
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imo the most important is the room and monitoring, you can t do much if both sux.. that why i think the futur on high end monitoring in home studio is in headphone and not monitors.
it s maybe already there, can t wait to try headopone like hifiman he 500,audeze lcd 2, stax... |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 21:22
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On 2012-01-07 18:08, PoM wrote:
the most important is the room and
monitoring , you cant do much if both sux ..
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You can You can , All is possible !
Yes , The room is important and monitors too , But its more important is 'To know
what you have' , How to use .. And how to bring it be advantageousness .
My room (Studio) is 5x10 So i dont use reverb at all in my music ,
Its already 'Automatic' in (Because of the sound of the place) .
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 7, 2012 22:37
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On 2012-01-07 17:33, aciduss wrote:
stop thinking too much about quality
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aciduss ..
I read your post , Theres true things in (Like the experience , Technique and those) But this is totaly wrong .. 'Stop thinking about quality' ? This is the first thing you should thinking of (And from the first sound your add into your daw) . This is not metter who you are This is somthing you should allways yearn to , 'The story is not the story behind the story' The real story is the sound .
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aciduss
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Posted : Jan 8, 2012 05:30
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CC you are totally right...
But sometimes trying too hard to obtain a super quality can mess workflow... i rather get creative with 10 sounds even if 5 of them suck and i have to delete than sticking to one single super sound all night that might very well suck next morning.
But yeah man, get your point... totally ok with having quality mix in mind. |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 8, 2012 11:52
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What is hard ?
You know .. I saw in the t.v a interview with the executioner of saudi arabia .. So he said he wake up in the morning , Make a shower and pray Then eat some breakfast and go to work (4 to 6 "Client" a day) On his "Office" wall there many sword's , So he explain .. 'This one is to cut a leg , This for a hand (Then he show why .. Because of the different kind of the knife edge) , This is to cut a neck And this is just to cut some fingers . So he was asked .. This is not HARD for you doing that ? And if is some one you know .. ? From the neighborhood , Maybe friend or peoples you may know .. So he answer 'Can be , But this is my work , Its HARD .. The heart is hurt .. But the hand is betray ...' .
So what is hard ?
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single super sound all night that might very well suck next morning.
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Whats sound super sound at the night will be sound super sound in the morning too ..
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