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dharmatronic
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Posted : Dec 18, 2011 14:17
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ok, ok... but I'm sorry, cardinals, but you don't want make people believe that pro producer go around the world playing their gigs with opensource daw, free plugins and behringer equipment (nothing against this cheap brand, but i had shit experience with them), do you?
anyway, I would be blissful to listen to some highend stuff produced, mix and mastered with really cheap, free technology, homestudio environment, which is for selling in the market.
=)
  always learning...
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Dec 18, 2011 15:15
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I haven't read all the posts here but here is my answer to your question: use very little processing, try to get the sound out of your synth(soundsource) as good as possible, too much processing will kill your music, this is the main problem with begginners, they put stuff in the chain of effects trying to make the sound amazing and end up destroying it, only use what you need and if what you tried using doesn't make much difference remove it, pay attention to every step, make every single step as perfect as you can but watch out for long hours listening to the same loop, rest.
If your music is bass driven then try not to use effects on your bass(maybe only in the group channel were your kick+bass go), get a great sounding bass and them make everything arround it sound good, the results are worth it.
Be patiente and take special attention to detail. 
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jonsta
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Posted : Dec 18, 2011 18:13
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 19, 2011 09:44
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Jonsta , Less is better when work (Outside effects , Machines And not from the inside of the vst himself - The better way to work) Not when mix because when you mix (Like eq) Sound become quality and highyer each time and time . "If you have a good mix thats already 90% of the work" - Mix is not only about levels , This is just (Kind of) 'General statement' - Each sound have be fit to everything (Not only at the vol point) This is done by hard work when/Where this is start from the start , Not from the end . The mastering man Not just "Pushing levels up" Theres much more Beside/inside this process , Theres feeling in , Thought's , Technique and art So this is not just "Just"
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dharmatronic
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Posted : Dec 19, 2011 12:17
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yeah, cardinals, that's what jonsta was trying to explain. at least for my understanding, I assume that when you have a good mix there is no point to stress to much about mastering which would be polish the whole track and give a special treatment depending on how it would be intent to be sold.
actually is hard to find someone who is a pro on mixing and on mastering too. I consider mastering as a very complicated art that must be applied by experienced users... it doesn't mean that you can't try by your own. and btw I'm talking about any genres not only psy; and yeah mastering is not only about pushing levels. =P
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 20, 2011 10:07
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SafeandSound
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Posted : Dec 31, 2011 12:52
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It is complex, so much is down to choice of sounds, mixing ability and of course peoples previous references and perceptions of what "high end" sound is.
It can definitely be achieved during mix down but as a mastering engineer I am aware of people need for "golden touch" and as such a big part of my work has been locating equipment that can add a sense of extra depth and expense to audio.
It is an immensely interesting and subjective topic.
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Disciple
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Posted : Dec 31, 2011 23:45
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to me "high end sound" is definitely not 16bit 44.1 khz. I would think that the best sound is pure analogue recorded onto vinyl. |
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Electricpollution-Records
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Posted : Jan 1, 2012 02:17
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My best advice is in the production stage, when you sculpt sounds, try using a tad bit of distortion,
and i dont mean you dist the sounds only that you push them a bit to get the harmonics to shine.
Works well on almost anything, but dont overuse it as it kills the balance and depth. So a tad bit only!
Good tools is also BBE Sonic Sweet suite.
Remember to use your ears and also remember that sounds can be pushed very much more than you dare, but also remember to leave room for mastering. otherwise you practiacally both mix and master your track in the production stage. which infact some people prefer. And only adding some slight loudness in the end.
Put if you plan to send your track for mastering, there is a lot of excitement they can do!
All the best
Dirty Electricity
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makus
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 01:13
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On 2011-12-17 13:11:35, dharmatronic wrote:
hey all,
after thinking a lot about how to give a high end touch to my music, I'm a bit misdirected on how to polish a track; by the other hand I'm pretty aware that a good set of elements (build up, mix and master) also give a pro treatment to the music.
Now, I would like to have your opinion on how to give a high-end touch to a track. Is it possible to elaborate a good stuff with cheap equipment? examples? Is it all about build up: loops, original synth tweaks and so on? Is the story telling, groove, flow that gives such a pro feeling?
by the end, I'm well convinced that experience may show you how... but, anyway. let's discuss about it.
ps. tks makus for making me think about it. =)
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You are welcome, bro 
Well, as I see it, the "high-end" feeling about the track is about the sum and good balance of the elements you mentioned. Unique sounds, the story, balanced mix and maybe some your own secret tricks you've learned during years of production  are the factors that influence a lot on that. (And also sculpt your sound.) If you were thinking about the expensive and extraordinary gear is a must for that, I wouldn't agree. I think a pro guy is able to do more with cheap stuff, than vice versa.
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PoM
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 02:45
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for me high end sound can come with good gears and offcourse lot of experience. it can depend about how high is set your bar of high end produced music or i should say our own personal taste as high end production can be quiet different depending taste. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 07:19
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A lot also depends on how well you know your speakers, that and a balanced mix to begin with, like Makus says... stuff like making sure every element of a track stands out on it's own and nothing sounds harsh...
I also don't agree on gear having to be expensive, that said, you should have decent eq and compression.
As far as monitoring is concerned, I used to own Behringer Truth, I knew their limitations, I now own Adams A7X and my mixes are getting better and better, as I get used to the speakers. But it took some time until I honestly could say that I outgrew the Behringers...
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 10:59
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Congratulations bro .. !
I want buy me those too
Sure after the behringer this is an big change .
I use E.s.i Near 5 , This is not about the monitors , Sure its important but this is a part of generality , Monitors alone will not give you the answer your looking for , This about equipment sure But more about experience and technique of 'What to do' and 'How to do' the work , Sure its about right Eq and mix .. First thing to get an high results . As i already have said SoundCard and those import , Sure , But first of all its your knowledge . I know 1 guy (Intersys) Who release his first album of 'Chimical Planet' With an Pentium 2 and regular/No special soundcard in and all by using his ears , There some one (Blue name) Here who mix and work with his crap Mp3 headphone and all sound fine , When you know your limitations and you pro you can use (Almost everything) To create an wonderful things .
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Nectarios
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 11:50
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In order to use (or avoid using) any piece of equipment, you need to hear properly what it does to your sound/mix. Good monitors and acoustic treatment will give you a clearer "picture" of what is going on in the mix.
I am not saying it can't be done otherwise, but you do save up a lot of time by being able to listen properly to what is going on in the mix.
So being able to hear well is a prerequisite to knowing how to use the "machines".
Peace out.
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makus
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Posted : Jan 6, 2012 12:35
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