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dharmatronic
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 13:11:35
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hey all,
after thinking a lot about how to give a high end touch to my music, I'm a bit misdirected on how to polish a track; by the other hand I'm pretty aware that a good set of elements (build up, mix and master) also give a pro treatment to the music.
Now, I would like to have your opinion on how to give a high-end touch to a track. Is it possible to elaborate a good stuff with cheap equipment? examples? Is it all about build up: loops, original synth tweaks and so on? Is the story telling, groove, flow that gives such a pro feeling?
by the end, I'm well convinced that experience may show you how... but, anyway. let's discuss about it.
ps. tks makus for making me think about it. =)
  always learning...
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Essio
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 14:20
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i think if u get ur mix sounding as good as possible , u have the chance to give it a little shine using controlled amount of eq or harmonic saturators .
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 14:30
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I am considering a budget analog summing device.
The thing is that I want to try one out before I splash out down that way.
There's pro engineers raving about the depth, clarity and the nuances of a mix that involves out of the box summing in a pristine audio signal path.
Methodology is simple, route any parts that coincide in the mix, to busses that go out the soundcard into the analog summer and do the summing in there and record the 2 Bus output, back into Logic.
Apparently the benefits of analog summing, far outweigh the DA/AD process involved.
But I need to properly test it my self...I can get some Livewire modules and build a new high end analog modular for the same cash.
Peace out.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 14:48
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summing is expensive,high end convertion is prefered and you need at least 8 out or more .
personaly i choosed a other path after lot of thinking and trying even if summing can work really good, specially on a good desk with good eq, or i can recomend phoenix audio and probably the tonelux summer might be good.
the thing is in these summing mixer that are some of the good ones to get color these use the same input/output stage than in their other gears. so basicaly you can get similar result by just suming all your tracks to one piece of equipment for less money,i choosed this path runing my track into a analog chain but it s a bit pain for workflow so now i m moving to use directly a chain on my master chanel... i suggest you buy 2 rack, one eq and one compressor to put on your master bus wiht the logic i/o plug so you get best of both worlds, the sound wihtout changing workflow. then you can sum you tracks into it to get even more difference when track is finished.. but you might not even need it,speically if you record your synth with the gears and use them on individual source if you want too.
serisouly even on distressors that are on the cleaner side running all tracks wihtout compression might sound better than some analog summer..and you get compression on top for less money.
when i use my culture vulture on the master( might be too colored for psytrance) i m under the impression to mix on a old desk, it can give really great color..same summing all tracks into this will work as summer imo and do way more. some thought to think about but i see summing as expensive for what you get but i count the number of i/o and convertion inthe price |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 15:04
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On 2011-12-17 14:48, PoM wrote:
the thing is in these summing mixer that are some of the good ones to get color these use the same input/output stage than in their other gears. so basicaly you can get similar result by just suming all your tracks to one piece of equipment for less money,i choosed this path runing my track into a analog chain but it s a bit pain for workflow so now i m moving to use directly a chain on my master chanel... i suggest you buy 2 rack, one eq and one compressor to put on your master bus wiht the logic i/o plug so you get best of both worlds, the sound wihtout changing workflow. then you can sum you tracks into it to get even more difference when track is finished.. but you might not even need it,speically if you record your synth with the gears and use them on individual source if you want too.
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That is all good for tone, but in this way the summing is still done in your DAW. Which is what I what to avoid.
By the way, I am not saying you can't get very good mixes from ITB mixing, just talking about making things sound even better.
I would love an SSL X Desk, or a Nicerizer, but I have to keep the budget low and I am looking at the SPL Mixdream XP or Dangerous 2-BUS.
Peace out.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 15:09
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yeah i see i think it can work good yes but it might be too subbtle for me to really worht it but i like lot of color...it s nice to open the mix and get more separation but imo some gears will do that too and more.
if you get to demo one if you want you can send me 16 bar of a tune in 8 stems and i sum them into one gear and you compare to the summing mixer to see if one stereo piece of gear give similar result if not better.
would be intrested to that just to check how my stuff work as a summer, the cumulative effect on the sound. |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 15:29
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about the topic i m not sure to understand what you mean with high end touch as you talk about arrangment,sound... it s a bit of everyhting but in term of sound quality you don t need expensive equipment, more how you use the stuff that need some time.
i think this rule summ it pretty well, if you dont get good sound, never blame the equipment as it s possbile to get good result with freeware or the plugs you get in your daw. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 17:36
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On 2011-12-17 14:30, disco hooligans wrote:
Apparently the benefits of analog summing, far outweigh the DA/AD process involved.
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Why would there be any benefits to begin with?
How can any analogue scheme be better than simple number crunching itb?
(Let's not talk about "warmth" and "organic sound" here for a change  ) |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 17:55
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thats a very complex question to answer,it come back to the benefit of analog design and digital ones. lets say imperfection are often what the ears like to listen to. digital technology is limited and not mature yet, not everyhting is possible with it |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 18:03
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lot of the classic gears are old for example.in a way the more the technlogy get better with less noise floor,less distortion, the worst it can sound for some stuff. |
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 20:16
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Theres no magic word or 'High end' button , This is all about the first sound (And what come later) You are made/Add into your music , Theres no any other secret , Working right on each sound and sound , Eq , Air inside your story , Levels , Space (Max up Max down - So we can be between and feel) & right mix
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dharmatronic
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 20:17
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I dont know why bother mixing otb in homestudio with all those expensive consoles when you can just go to a pro studio for them to properly do the shit for you.
resume, we all know that is possible to produce good/acceptable music with cheap daw, plugin, soundcard and monitors (considering that arrangement and mix are already good too), but is there any device, hardware, setup (affordable of course) which will give a different approach to your music?... coz if it is just about technique and experience there is no point to buy analog stuff.
better invest your money in the knowledge direction then IMHO... fuk my hobby is too expensive.
always learning...
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 20:34
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Sound you want put an airplane motor into fiat 500 , Its not work that way And some time when there 'Less is more' in your tones thats bring the real power in , As i already have said before No special tricks but right work .
Sure experience .
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 21:22
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On 2011-12-17 20:17, dharmatronic wrote:
I dont know why bother mixing otb in homestudio with all those expensive consoles when you can just go to a pro studio for them to properly do the shit for you.
resume, we all know that is possible to produce good/acceptable music with cheap daw, plugin, soundcard and monitors (considering that arrangement and mix are already good too), but is there any device, hardware, setup (affordable of course) which will give a different approach to your music?... coz if it is just about technique and experience there is no point to buy analog stuff.
better invest your money in the knowledge direction then IMHO... fuk my hobby is too expensive.
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me i see it that way, the technical part of a mix > room acoustic, monitoring matter a lot to get something that translate.
the artistic part of a mix > tools used hardware and software,choice of synth,effect and all this that is more open to taste to help you get the sound you are after
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Dec 17, 2011 23:56
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Sure Pom , You are right . This is more about 'What not to do' - When 99% of the cases ppls are trying so hard to bring many tools , Machines , Effects and those where/When no need , So this is true , The time and the experience leting you know (And teach you) what you should not do to make all be sound fine .
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