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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 07:01
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FaceHead
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 18:38
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am i wrong in thinking that that is a gross underabundance of elecctricity to fuel a whole party? will they last through the night or are we taping blacklights to the solar panel?
best of luck i wanna find a good sun driven solution.
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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 18:46
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It is not sufficient.... we know that. We at present moment cannot afford to buy the other ones. In the long run they will be worth it. We want to have at least 3. The solar panels will be a different story because they are less wattage. We need to get more because I would rather use solar energy rather than gasoline. I would rather a quiet pollution free power source...
We need fundage to do it but we will eventually do it. |
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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 1, 2009 22:03
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Anyone else? |
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 04:03
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yaw....yer rig aint got nuff juice in her shot glass, smell what we're stepping in?
Where are you from Acid_Dream? How many psychedelic trance events have you been too? Which ones? What are some of your favorite psy-trance artists? Do you have experience with event planning of any kind?
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hardkornate
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 05:54
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1500 watts is a joke and could maybe power the mixer and decks.
any sort of respectable rig would need a pile of those and a distro. |
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 06:21
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Nobody likes generators but to run a significant sound system there is not much choice. We use a 5000W and an 1800W generator at our outdoor parties, and burn around 15-20 gallons of gas.. by contrast you would need more than 30 of the large rooftop type solar panels to get anywhere near that power, and more than 30 car batteries to store that energy for night. The transportation alone for such a system could easily burn more gas than the generator. Not to mention the lead in the batteries...
So it is a cool concept and a cool demonstration of what is possible but unfortunately, at least with the technology that is practical right now, you will probably hurt the planet LESS by using a gas generator for psytrance parties.
The best generators out there are the inverter type generators.. eg Honda EU series.. they are REALLY good on gas, super light weight, and super quiet compared to regular generators. But they are also REALLY expensive.
I was able to borrow a 1000W Honda (EU1000i) for Burning Man a few years ago.. and we had a small DJ setup (2 speakers, 500W/ch amp, decks, mixer) and a bunch of lights in the camp.. running from this tiny thing you could carry with one hand. Amazing.
But when it came to buying a generator for our outdoor parties we simply could not afford an inverter generator of sufficient size, we had to get a regular generator. But if you have the money for a large solar setup then maybe you can manage one of these inverter type generators.. if so then that is the way to go. Not only are they light and quiet but they are also a lot better for the planet than regular generators and probably are better for the planet than transporting large numbers of solar panels and batteries.
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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 06:29
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Very good observation people. Congratulations on pointing out the obvious. I am very well aware that what I have is not enough to power all that it needs to. Like I said in the post above you, I don't have the funding to buy more. I intend to purchase them eventually but first I need to make some money. I don't need the generator to throw low scale indoor parties.
I intend to throw the outdoor parties for free when I CAN start doing them. My reasoning for not just renting all the shit is just that reason.... that the events will be for free and why am I going to rent a set up every time I want to throw one of these events if no one is paying a cover fee.
I am NOT a millionaire. I cannot afford HALF of what I need for a really KICKING set up like so many privileged people out there.
I am doing this because I want to, because it makes me happy to bring this kind of love and unity to everyone who wants it.
I am not in this for the money... Im in this for the dream.
I have no experience WHAT SO EVER in any of this. Thats why Im here people, for your advice, your help, your well wishes.
I do not claim to know anything about doing this kind of stuff... I only want to try.
I know I will succeed too because I have the positive energy. Anyone who doesn't have positivity in their lives please don't bother responding with negative comments.
FattyAcid what is the relevance of these questions? |
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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 06:33
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That was not aimed at you Light-o-Matic
Listen though, you don't think that more than one 1500W generator would not be sufficient for a small scale set up?
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hardkornate
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 07:02
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No offense, but I take offense to the idea that people who have the money to buy gear are privileged.
Hard work, talent, and patience can get you just about anything.
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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 07:12
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Well in this day and age if you have money... you are privileged. With the economy like it is, its difficult to find good jobs. Jobs that can pay for the luxury of buying music equipment on top of supporting yourself (food, shelter, insurance, medical, bills, car expenses, the list goes on) are hard to come by. I would have been able to go out there and buy the BEST shit with the money I was making at my job... IF and only IF I didn't support myself. Unfortunately thats not how it works out. So right now all I have... is all I have. I am here asking for advice and people who might want to join our cause.
Thanks to those who already have given us your support and advice. It is more than appreciated. |
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light-o-matic
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 08:14
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On 2009-03-02 06:33, Acid_Dream wrote:
you don't think that more than one 1500W generator would not be sufficient for a small scale set up?
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If you mean the thing you linked earlier, then no. Because sure it can provide 1500W, but probably for only around 20 minutes.. then it is dead and will take 8 hours to recharge. Even running just two of your Thumps (and no sub) plus decks etc you would not be able to run very long. When you consider the $455 cost of this unit it is just not worth it, because for the price of two of them you could own a Honda EU2000i and have 2000 watts of power all night long. You can get a standard (non inverter) generator for even less.
As far as the cost of rentals, you have to also consider the cost of ownership which is not necessarily cheap. Depending on how many parties you do and what type of parties you do, you could easily come out ahead renting. Especially if you are "renting" from within the psytrance community, where if you are out there helping people out and demonstrating to people that you know how to throw a quality event that they would be proud to be a part of, you will soon find out that you can get much help for free or for very cheap. I am happy to do it for the right parties. But the kicker is people understanding that these things are a huge money pit, and not begrudging me the little I ask and making me sorry I tried...
After 9 (!) years doing this, I learned a few things about people, one of them is that as much as I love what I do and love the psy community, it is sometimes wise for me to stop caring for a minute and leave my equipment at home that week rather than bring it out.. and feel my costs, risks and my sacrifices to do what I do are not appreciated or that the amount of money I do ask for when I ask it, barely enough to keep my system going, is going to be begrudged or seen as some capitalist plot against psytrance. If you want to make it almost 10 years in psytrance without becoming a jaded fuck and stomping off angrily (as many have), you have to choose your friends carefully.
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FattyAcid
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 09:31
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the purpose of those questions was to get a reading on your intentions for these free gatherings, and what kind of art would be showcased, to see if I would want to put energy/resources into helping you do yo thang
Wake walking through your sleep dream
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Acid_Dream
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 19:00
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Well, we have a lot of learning to do about organizing events. Honestly wish we would have known that the equipment we were buying was not going to work for our needs. We had in the past made a post asking people what we would need to throw these kinds of parties and we honestly didn't get much helpful feedback.
But you learn from your mistakes right??
Anyway we are only but a couple of crazy kids with a dream. I just hope all goes as it should.
Looks like we wont be doing any of the outdoor stuff for a while... at least until we get our shit together. LOL
One day!!!
Anyone feel like schooling some youngings in the ways of organizing such events? We really could use it... and would greatly appreciate it.
And thank you all for the feedback, much/if not all was very helpful, and for that we are grateful.
Fatty to answer your questions we are from NY LI but one half of us originates in Colombia, we have been to three pine barrens parties (06.01.08/07.26.08/09.13.08), a whole bunch in the Brooklyn area. Contracosmos, Repsychle, Yogi Bogey Box, and others. We like pretty much all psy genres, chill out, dub step, goa, fullon, dark psy, and the likes of that. |
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mez
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Posted : Mar 2, 2009 19:02
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The angry upstart is an important aspect of D.I.Y.ism. The experienced promoter is too.
Longevity is a rarity for anything that takes this much effort and money.
Maybe you should investigate in converting a bio fuel Generator. I have never looked into it myself or exactly how environmental it is. But there might be other alternatives.
Maybe a good way to raise consciousness and some support regarding your events and ethos would be to do some gatherings that don't require a whole lot of money at all. Maybe try to do an after party... or acoustic jam or something.
I once saw Shpongle a few years ago and a van rolled up after it ended and played trance and people drummed in the street for about an hour until the police showed up.
It was inspiring to see a bout 150 people dancing in the street at dawn. Guido's leaving the cro-bar saw us and puzzled as they were joined in an smoked a spliff with us. beautiful.
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