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RK9
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 05:25
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Paying is for people who can't contribute to the scene otherwise.
Some people produce music
some people provide the sound
some people provide the venue
some people help organize
some people help decorate
some people bring the party favors
everyone else pays  |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 06:50
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On 2009-04-28 11:48, bluespectralmonkey wrote:
if everyone who came to the party contributed - energetically, financially, nutrition, decorations, guidance, deep presence, purposefulness -
imagine the possibilities.
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yes those 20 person events have always been my favorites.
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PsydTraxd
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 17:49
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On 2009-04-29 05:25, RK9 wrote:
Paying is for people who can't contribute to the scene otherwise.
Some people produce music
some people provide the sound
some people provide the venue
some people help organize
some people help decorate
some people bring the party favors
everyone else pays
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I agree with a couple of those, but what good are they if there is no money to throw a party?
When the music of a society changes,
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psynoobie
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 18:02
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On 2009-04-29 05:25, RK9 wrote:
Paying is for people who can't contribute to the scene otherwise.
Some people produce music
some people provide the sound
some people provide the venue
some people help organize
some people help decorate
some people bring the party favors
everyone else pays
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Disagreed: If one provides the scene with music should one never pay?? What about if one is not providing music (or deco or organiz skills or party favors) at this particular party. Then should one still not pay?.......
I think its a little derisive that our small scene has so many people worried about entering a party with vip status that their attitude is counterproductive to the fiscally struggling scene...
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 22:53
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Everyone pays in someway
It's the only way the scene can function
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Hidroponik
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Posted : Apr 29, 2009 23:11
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what really gets me is when somebody tells you that they're going to stick around for cleanup for an advance ticket, then they're nowhere to be found when the sun rises.
then you get those people who just like to "show up" in the middle of the desert without askin in advance if they can get on the guest list by working. Then they tell you they have no money, but will cleanup. then they pull the shit i put in the above paragraph.
What do you do as a promoter? tell the dj's that drove this person to the desert to turn around and drop them off at the road so they can hitch hike back home?
I know some people that are very good at this tactic and it always works for them, for shame *wiggles finger in disciplinary way*
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KEVIN_
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 08:47
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Me? I pay what is asked for. A discount if there is one and I qualify. For the gatherings that are on the fly and not advertised I always pay what is asked, and at least a dollar more, sometimes more.
I don't produce music
I don't provide the sound
I haven't provided the venue
I haven't helped organize
I have a couple of times minimally helped decorate
I suppose I have brought party favors though I'm not too sure of the meaning of this term
I don't at present time have any skills such as spinning fire or batons or hoops or juggling or glow sticks or whirlygigs or gizmos. I enjoy watching them, which I suppose is part of it for the person doing it. I know little of art, but I like to look at things people make, or crystals they have brought. I can fly kites, play games, and talk about lots of things. I like the festive wear that many bring to the gatherings. I am still conservative in this regard, but I have the Aerosmith version of my old clothes, "Wearing out things nobody wears."
I have some skills being the jack of all trades that I am, but I generally keep out of the way while observing the going-ons of others. Staying out of the way is an often overlooked way of being helpful. I try to provide help if I can, am able to help, and if my help is desired. I don't want to take someone's fun away by doing the work for them if they don't want the help! It seems I have on occasion been helpful by having brought certain things with me that have provided assistance to others. That's always cool for me. A lantern throws a fair amount of light. A corkscrew for a wine bottle. Clothes hanger for a door lock. Shovel for a fire. A helping hand. String, bungee cords, baling wire, and of course, DUCT TAPE! Lots of people are very helpful to me when I have needed help in something too. One thing I really like at almost every gathering I have attended is what I call the "Happy, get the job done, work together" attitude. I wish I would see this attitude in other places in my life. I think the world would be a much better place.
I am often one the first ones to arrive at a gathering. I get to see how it gets put together and how the various people go about doing it and working together. They rarely need my help, but I sometimes get a chance to help. Many times the people setting something up will see me and take time to explain what they're doing, or how their equipment works. I really like this. Or a DJ will tell me about their music and what it's about or their intention. My lack of knowledge about how the music is made, played, or selected doesn't stop me from being able to enjoy it or dislike it. I am not too sure if my enthusiasm or criticism of certain music is welcomed by DJs, but they have for the most part seemed genuinely interested in what I might say or feel about what they've played. My naivete does show when those in the know can point out nuances and subtleties about the music, or even major things. I don't like looking or appearing foolish, but sometimes I just blurt out things I feel. It gets back to the saying about being seen as a fool.
"It is often better to remain silent and be thought a fool... than to speak and remove all doubt!"
I like to be happy at the gatherings and being around happy people makes me happy, which in turn makes them happier, and me happier too. This I can't say that I bring or create, but it does seem to be an important thing to many that I encounter and especially for myself. It's hard to say what makes those around me happy, but if I see someone that recognizes me and smiles while I'm dancing, I just get happy and this makes them happy.
I observe and I participate. I am learning about myself while having fun and learning about others and society. I get to talk about my beliefs and listen to other's viewpoints too. The gatherings are so different from my usual daily routine of the last twenty-five years. In lots ways similar to how I remember being a teenager and in my early twenties, but in ways that are much better now that I have my experience to add to how I view the world. Simply incredible how blind I have been to such things, and it's all there. Nothing complicated at all.
I often feel so lucky to be at the gatherings. I haven't been writing much about my recent experiences, but they have been very good ones. My knowledge of the music has increased, but I still know very little about it. I kind of like it that way, but as Bodhi pointed out to me, I will with my ever going to the various gatherings and being exposed to the music learn more and then not be so mystified and overwhelmed by it. I am sure he is right about this, but I am hoping that learning more and having greater understanding doesn't interfere with my fun or enjoyment, and that it makes me appreciate the music, gatherings, and people that much more. It is my nature to analyze things and try to digest and piece together what makes things work and happen. Sometimes gaining knowledge takes the mystery out of things, and other times it increases the pleasure of it. Sex is this way, so why not music? I can also go about learning things in such a way so as not to fully understand them and yet gain much appreciation for them with the knowledge I allow myself to acquire. A type of limited learning. I am OK with this and might indeed do this in many ways that I have not until just writing this thought of about myself.
The people I meet have been incredible in the friendliness and fun shared with me. Just happy to see me, dance with me, party with me, hang out with me, and watch the fire burn or kick it. All good.
There's always problems. The difference is how one deals with the problems. I have known this for a long time. I have seen what to me if the gathering where my responsibility would be huge problems, and they are just something that hasn't been nothing much to work around to those who have actually been the ones in charge of organizing them. As for money and risk, I am not too familiar with that end of it. From what I have observed, it depends a lot on the particular gathering in question, and the intention of the organizers. If they're just throwing a party and want to have a nice get together, breaking even or a small loss seems like an acceptable price to pay to them. The one extreme is just to throw a party and not charge any money. Gemini does this. The organizers just want to throw a nice party and hope people come to it and enjoy themselves and take something memorable with them. Some of the smaller attended gatherings I have been to are of this type. The money isn't the motivation, just having the party and having people there to experience their intention or to be a part of it. Parties organized for the express purpose of making money are at the other end of it. I am not too sure if I have attended any of these. I have attended a few where the money made at the gate is important for the party organizers because of the expense involved in getting performers or certain equipment to the gathering, but the actual making of a profit doesn't seem to be the driving force behind these endeavors even if a profit might have been made on occasion. I do not begrudge people making a profit. What I can mind is if it becomes the main focus of their having the gathering, then it might change their intention and make me not feel about the gathering as I might. This has happened to me in regards to baseball, a game I really like but I now think is so money and profit driven that is just not what I like to associate myself with. I have a quote about winning and game playing that seems to relate to this, especially in professional sports. "The object of a game is to win, but the reason to play a game is to have fun." Major League Baseball, and I suppose all major sporting events, have become so obsessed with winning that the playing and enjoyment of playing the game have gotten lost in its pursuit. The gatherings don't seem to have this about them and I'm sure it is why I like them so much. We all like different things at the gatherings, and all I have to do is read reviews of recent ones I have attended to see this. I miss a lot at the gatherings, if only because I sleep or I get lost with more than one stage, but I still have a good time and so does most everyone else.
I am mainly writing this in response to how RK9 wrote in this thread. I have mostly just written off the top of my head some of my impressions from my viewpoint as being a participant at the gatherings. I have my own feelings about it too. Each of us brings something. If we bring more than we take, we all have a good time and will be looking forward to the next gathering which will happen because we have created an atmosphere conductive for it to happen.
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konvndrvm
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 10:24
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 18:44
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On 2009-04-30 08:47, KEVIN_ wrote:
I am mainly writing this in response to how RK9 wrote in this thread. I have mostly just written off the top of my head some of my impressions from my viewpoint as being a participant at the gatherings. I have my own feelings about it too. Each of us brings something. If we bring more than we take, we all have a good time and will be looking forward to the next gathering which will happen because we have created an atmosphere conductive for it to happen.
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Thanks Kevin. I read that entire thing but wanted to quote that last paragraph for truth (and great justice).
I had a different response to RK9's earlier statement:
"Paying is for people who can't contribute to the scene otherwise."
Which rubbed me negatively because I found it to be assumptive, self edifying, narrow minded, and basically naive.
Being incapable of expressing myself in such a consistently positively minded way as yourself, Kevin, I chose to not write anything. You may view yourself as being naive, but your powers of observation, empathy, and appreciation always show a much deeper level of understanding of what's going on than most people who put so much effort into painting themselves as "in the know". Thanks again for sharing your thoughts.
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BrainLizzard
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 19:15
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Warning : This system does work
This new idea is also a filtering system to facilitate social inequality thus bringing forth regulations in the form of a program, like it or not. Its a brainwashing debate unless you try it beyond the crew just paying. All crew members should be paying anyways, right?
Beta testing proves that it creates something unique...
It takes 100% of all social control agents or people to make this complex system with overlapping waves and ripples to actually work, it shouldn't be that way but it is. If one person looses integrity in focus it will cause many others to loose focus as well hence filter, keep it Goan and for them who disagree, keep on truckin'...
This "new" idea can help an event crew provider out or help an event crew provider out. In other words the control agents can help provide that classic hippie idealism of influence that blue monkey hinted at or one can hope to avoid negativity directed directly at the source of intentions. For everyone to pay into the event can lower your attendance causing an increase in price at the door, them farts. They say as this new idea grows so will attendance.
Across the board at most events - everyone gets paid except the crew. There are crews that get paid, they just don't broadcast it or have a different view, that's all...
Social Change is coming one way or another..
This program/arrangement is different than free or someone else flipping the bill which is noble and not related, just like this post, no?
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Green Sector
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 22:18
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I like the idea of free parties like there have been in the park. A better word for them would be that they are donation based... the last party with Deedrah was a success but the cost was placed on those who were generous enough to purchase pre-sales. One person was even so grateful that they asked where they could send a check for another $100 even though they already bought a ticket... and they actually sent it! 
this is the kind of gratitude that keeps these gatherings alive and motivates the organizers to continue doing them. Thanks to all you peeps out there for your support, especially when it's optional.  |
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kahn
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 22:44
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On 2009-04-28 22:26, psynoobie wrote:
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But honestly, in a lot of cases you have people who have been partying a long time; and frankly don't show up to parties if they have to pay. Is it right?
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Yes I can think of many DJs mainly from phily and nyc who fit this profile. I have always wondered why I only see a few resident DJ's at parties they're not playing at...Why is that? Is it ego or financial...
But back on topic...Great post - Parties would be much more successful if the comp list diminished from 50 to 5. Yea!! and what monkey said...
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A lot of them, including many I know have day jobs and/or go to school. As those in this position know, it often comes down to a choice between getting what you HAVE TO GET DONE, done; or going to a party and doing what you love.
I myself am a full time student, and while I try to make it out to as many as I can; I can't always go.
But of course if I am SCHEDULED to PLAY at a party, I will have the day cleared ahead of time. So perhaps this is why you only see some of these guys at their own gigs.
Then of course there are those who are just super jaded.
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On 2009-04-30 22:18, Green Sector wrote:
I like the idea of free parties like there have been in the park. A better word for them would be that they are donation based... the last party with Deedrah was a success but the cost was placed on those who were generous enough to purchase pre-sales. One person was even so grateful that they asked where they could send a check for another $100 even though they already bought a ticket... and they actually sent it!
this is the kind of gratitude that keeps these gatherings alive and motivates the organizers to continue doing them. Thanks to all you peeps out there for your support, especially when it's optional.
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*one of the presalers*
If you book Deedrah, I will ALWAYS buy presales.
Speaking of the park, when can we expect another one T?
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_eNdo_
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Posted : Jun 1, 2009 21:51
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BUMP!!!
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Sapphire Dragon
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How about this, if you claim to be too broke to pay to get in, you should; reevaluate your life and your priority's. Given that you payed for the gas to get to the event (or you hitched a ride), you most likely bought some "stuff" i.e. food, gas, party favors, est... prior to the overnight event and worst of all it is most likely premeditated.
If they cant pay to get in after a battery of manipulative requests from the gate attendants. Tell them to get out of the car sit in the corner and think about what they did. "That's a bad party patron"
How about this idea:
Senior discount:
Student Discount:
Club Discount: a card punch of sorts. Buy 6 in full the 7th is free or 20% off. Not bad, a bit of incentive to come back and pay in full.
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hardkornate
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Posted : Jun 3, 2009 03:39
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Anytime someone claims to be too broke to pay, ask them if they smoke.
If you smoke, you ain't too broke.
Keep in mind, I throw shows with really low ticket prices, so I have zero pity for people that can't come up with $10-20.
You might also suggest they go donate plasma 
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