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Helpwith eqing please, I've read and read, but still don't understand fully.
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Sp4Rx
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 00:37:24
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Can someone please help out in understanding how to make room for my kick and bass. I want my bass to be the dominant one in the low field and the kick to be slightly higher in range. How do I do this if both are still sitting in the same range? do I cut the kick at a certain frequency? do I notch the bass for the kick? or what if I want it the other way around to see which feels better? Can someone please confirm this for me. I've researched and researched but still haven't been able to fully have them fit nicely. If someone could produce analogies even or alternative viewpoints it would be much appreciated. |
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 02:35
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Usually they sit the opposite way since most kicks are focused at a lower range than the bass. Try using a spectrum analyzer (blue cat freqanalyst is free if you don't have one). Solo the kick and bass one at a time and see where they are on their own.
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Medea
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 03:00
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On 2009-02-04 02:35, Kane wrote:
Usually they sit the opposite way since most kicks are focused at a lower range than the bass.
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imho it totally depends on the music style, or even on every single track.
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Sp4Rx
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 03:38
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I want to have a deep bass with some mid range, but also have a punchy kick. How could I go about doing this? I learn well with analogies or visualizations. Your help is much appreciated |
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Kane
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 05:28
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Alright Medea, well that is just my experience. 
You should have a deep bass with some mids and a punchy kick in the first place, or at least something as close as you can get to that, then worry about eqing for minor tweaks.
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EtherealMotive
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 05:32
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I have that... and both my kick and bass are phat sounding, but I can't get them to sit perfectly either. Theres definitely something I'm missing, knowledge wise... but thats what experimenting is for  |
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 15:10
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hi, i came up with the same problem...
what i have learned, try using other kick + bass,
i wasted much time, because i thought i have got the right kick...
have a look on the spectrum at kicks/basses of your favourite interprets with this free toy http://www.voxengo.com/product/SPAN/ (best analyzer imo).
than you got a little idea of how your kick/bass line should look like.
the secret is, to make a good bass + kick, i nearly do not EQ them, just cutting a littlebit from the highs of my bass.
if you choose the right filter on your Synth, you dont have to do much more (maybe compressor, or Quadrafuzz)...
for beginning, dont mess around with EQ´s to much, i mainly use it to High/Low-Pass my leads, HH + percussions... and to shelf them just a littlebit.
i nearly never boost fequencies.
PS: i hope you know, not overlaying kick and bassnotes... you cant play them together (expt with sidechain comp.)^^
i hope that will help
cheers
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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 15:24
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One of the biggest problems for the home producer and bass is their room. Poor room set up and lack of treatment. |
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Inner Demon
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Posted : Feb 4, 2009 18:14
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On 2009-02-04 05:32, EtherealMotive wrote:
I have that... and both my kick and bass are phat sounding, but I can't get them to sit perfectly either. Theres definitely something I'm missing, knowledge wise... but thats what experimenting is for
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You're answering your own question
It is irrelevant how they sound on their own, always work them together. If you have a phat bass it is not likely to fit well with an equally phat kick, but maybe with a less meaty, clicky kick.
Think of them as two elements that should balance each other rather than 'add up'. If your kick covers some frequency range well there's no need to have bass there too.
happy tweaking! |
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jizy
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 17:50
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On 2009-02-04 15:24, ~d2~ wrote:
One of the biggest problems for the home producer and bass is their room. Poor room set up and lack of treatment.
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yes but can be sorted by listening to tracks from cds from your monitors in your room, to see how well they translate, and how the sound reflects in your room, sweet spots etc, get to know your monitors, you should have a problem...
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jizy
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 17:52
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On 2009-02-04 05:32, EtherealMotive wrote:
I have that... and both my kick and bass are phat sounding, but I can't get them to sit perfectly either. Theres definitely something I'm missing, knowledge wise... but thats what experimenting is for
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You're answering your own question
It is irrelevant how they sound on their own, always work them together. If you have a phat bass it is not likely to fit well with an equally phat kick, but maybe with a less meaty, clicky kick.
Think of them as two elements that should balance each other rather than 'add up'. If your kick covers some frequency range well there's no need to have bass there too.
happy tweaking!
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very true, yet so simple and obvouse.
cheers
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jizy
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Posted : Feb 6, 2009 18:07
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but then again that would only matter if the bass landed where the kick did? no? i mena just shorten the length of the kick and use side chain if the length covers the first few note of the bass
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bukboy
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Posted : Feb 10, 2009 13:44
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Dude - "best way to avoid punch is no be there"
any mix has to trade off the instruments of interest by playing them separately if they interfere.
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considering that your kick and bass frequencies overlap, make sure your kick is short, and stops playing before your bass does, then make sure the bass stops playing before the kick starts. and repeat. (use smexoscope to see whether they interfere. its free)
To keep clarity in the bass and kick (throughout) u will have to high pass all the other instruments in the track, to not use those frequencies (probably 2-4kHz and lower)
Then to keep clarity in your other instruments, ul either have to make sure they dont play at the same time, the same speaker, or in the same frequency range... at least if you want clarity.
So its a balancing act.
I suppose the next question will be how to make a short bass or kick with a lot of impact? |
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orgytime
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Posted : Feb 10, 2009 18:39
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Sp4Rx
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Posted : Feb 11, 2009 22:19
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Thanks for the info, but no one asked you to be a prick about it. Knowledge is for sharing and should be free. I give people any knowledge I have without question, on anything.
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On 2009-02-10 13:44, bukboy wrote:
Dude - "best way to avoid punch is no be there"
any mix has to trade off the instruments of interest by playing them separately if they interfere.
SO
considering that your kick and bass frequencies overlap, make sure your kick is short, and stops playing before your bass does, then make sure the bass stops playing before the kick starts. and repeat. (use smexoscope to see whether they interfere. its free)
To keep clarity in the bass and kick (throughout) u will have to high pass all the other instruments in the track, to not use those frequencies (probably 2-4kHz and lower)
Then to keep clarity in your other instruments, ul either have to make sure they dont play at the same time, the same speaker, or in the same frequency range... at least if you want clarity.
So its a balancing act.
I suppose the next question will be how to make a short bass or kick with a lot of impact?
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