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Help: "Registering a recordlabel"
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Pureuphoria
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Posted : Jan 10, 2011 14:24:22
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Hello! we're a young recordlabel based in Denmark, having one free digital release behind so far.New releases in progress... First, it's thought to stay having only free releases, but at the moment it would do a good thing to get a bit "commercial" 
My question is urgent: Whats the best way to register a psytrance recordlabel? All that is needed is to get all papers done so that we can sell music(online), but I find no info on how to do it properly. All I find would probably work for a major or commercialized labels or companies.
All we want is to protect the rights and pay to our Artists what they have earned.
Is it alright to use online destribution services + contract between artist and label?
Anyone with experience - please help, otherwise we'll just go ILLEGAL 
Peace and light to everyone!
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monno
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Posted : Jan 10, 2011 14:52
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No registration should be needed if you really don´t want to. If you intend to make money on it though the only thing you would have to do is to register your company @ det centrale virksomheds register (cvr) There are many different ways of constructing it in the eyes of the law, but i think an I/S would be the most beneficial way of doing it. As far as copyright goes, well the music is protected by copyright laws as soon as it is finished and does not require a registration anywhere. In the old days one would send a copy of the master by registered post to oneself and keep it sealed in case the need to prove ones copyright. Nowadays it is enough to have the original arrangement and the files needed on some form of data media to assert copyright.
Now you could naturally talk to Koda and NCB, but for small labels dealing in underground music it makes no sense to deal with them, as the services they provide are more or less useless for most people not relying on the classical means of income (airplay, mechanical rights, proper licensed club gigs etc.)
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 10, 2011 19:17
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Well there are actually laws to be followed in Denmark if you decide to release into a commercial market (CD, Digital download shops etc.):
1. If releasing CD's you are obligated to sign up with NCB (Nordic Copyright Bureau). All info can be found here:
http://www.ncb.dk
2. Regarding releasing on Digital download shops:
You can not release music on the internet without having to pay certain fees and royalties to NCB and/or KODA (If your artists are signed up with KODA) and Publishing agencies (Some online shops like Beatport deduct the publishing fees directly from your payment from them).
Make sure to check if the artists are associated with KODA or have publishing deals before you release their music (You can end up with a big bill to pay in case you do not take this serious from day one). Even when the releases are for free as you have to pay KODA for music being made available on the internet no matter what.
If going commercial (Especially CD releases) there are also other aspects like paying Mechanical rights, taxes in and outside Denmark, VAT (moms) in and outside Denmark, Distribution costs, registering the label as a business (You have to do this no matter what if you start to make money) etc. etc.
3. Releasing 100% free.
You still have to make sure that the music you release has not been registered with KODA/NCB. If it's registered you can not upload it to the internet unless you have a special permission from KODA and pay a yearly fee to them.
Good luck.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 10, 2011 23:01
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Copyright fascism.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 10, 2011 23:20
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On 2011-01-10 23:01, Mike A wrote:
Copyright fascism.
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I dont agree. I think artists have very few rights compared with any other professions in this world. Copyright and rightful payment when people use an artists works is only fair.
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kriz
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 10:54
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Pureuphoria
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 11:24
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On 2011-01-10 14:52, monno wrote:
Now you could naturally talk to Koda and NCB, but for small labels dealing in underground music it makes no sense to deal with them, as the services they provide are more or less useless for most people not relying on the classical means of income (airplay, mechanical rights, proper licensed club gigs etc.)
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I agree
KODA is what I'm trying to avoid...after reading what they're about there won't be partnership between us))
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Pureuphoria
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 11:42
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On 2011-01-10 19:17, Beat Agency wrote:
Make sure to check if the artists are associated with KODA or have publishing deals before you release their music (You can end up with a big bill to pay in case you do not take this serious from day one). Even when the releases are for free as you have to pay KODA for music being made available on the internet no matter what.
If going commercial (Especially CD releases) there are also other aspects like paying Mechanical rights, taxes in and outside Denmark, VAT (moms) in and outside Denmark, Distribution costs, registering the label as a business (You have to do this no matter what if you start to make money) etc. etc.
3. Releasing 100% free.
You still have to make sure that the music you release has not been registered with KODA/NCB. If it's registered you can not upload it to the internet unless you have a special permission from KODA"
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Thanks for the warning, I'll be more carefull!
Regarding physical releases: I think CD's can wait, I'm not sure how long they can last from now on + risks are high...
Digital releases will be good for a start.
Overall it has become a bit clearer, and that is a feeling that if you try to dig deeper - we can find out that we dont have to pay anything to anyone(exept artists offcourse), no taxes and so on, in my opinion Some "right-protective-companies" and such - misusing peoples unknowledge, forsing to play their game.
Not sure that anybody knows how to do it really, and that's Industrys trump - because if you begin to wonder "how to" - they (the law, system, whatever) will explain the rules you've got to PlAY)
Thanks to everywone! peace & light
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 12:28
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I wont get into a long debate here but I totally disagree with your views regarding KODA and example publishing agencies. They support our rights and make sure we the artists get the money we deserve. How can that be wrong?
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Pureuphoria
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 12:36
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On 2011-01-11 12:28, Beat Agency wrote:
I wont get into a long debate here but I totally disagree with your views regarding KODA and example publishing agencies. They support our rights and make sure we the artists get the money we deserve. How can that be wrong?
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Support rights? Against who?
Well, tell me a Good example and we stay friends |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 19:00
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On 2011-01-11 12:36, Pureuphoria wrote:
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On 2011-01-11 12:28, Beat Agency wrote:
I wont get into a long debate here but I totally disagree with your views regarding KODA and example publishing agencies. They support our rights and make sure we the artists get the money we deserve. How can that be wrong?
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Support rights? Against who?
Well, tell me a Good example and we stay friends
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Not a problem I'll give you two good examples
1. KODA/NCB
KODA makes sure I get paid whenever a commercial radio-station or for that matter a online radio-station or campus (usually in USA) radio-station (many have income via commercials) around the world play my music. Money I would not be able to collect myself. KODA and NCB also help me legally in cases where as an example a TV station use my music without my permission and without paying me. I have actual experience in this matter and without KODA/NCB I would never have been compensated after the danish TV station (DK4) used my music in a program circulating 2 times a day for 3 months.
I would also never have received what's called a one time payment for a first time air play (ur-opførsel in Danish) at the Danish National Radio P3 if it was not for KODA. P3 "forgot" to pay me and thanks to KODA they "remembered" to pay me 
2.Publishing
A publisher makes sure the artist receive his/her rightfully earned Mechanical rights paid out by the distributors around the World. Again it would be near impossible for me as an artist to collect these money and without using a Publishing agency I would have lost a lot of money. Money that are rightfully mine.
So yes KODA/NCB and a Publishing Agency is a vital help and support for an artist in securing that our rights are being respected. And to ensure we are not being cheated when it comes to rightfully payments.
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 19:18
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So it protects you if you're popular enough to get on mainstream commercial media.
Once you are registred with them, basically they own your music, including new music.
If I would want to release your music for free (ektoplazm) for example, and we both agree that it should be free - I would still need to pay them.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 19:23
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On 2011-01-11 19:18, Mike A wrote:
So it protects you if you're popular enough to get on mainstream commercial media.
Once you are registred with them, basically they own your music, including new music.
If I would want to release your music for free (ektoplazm) for example, and we both agree that it should be free - I would still need to pay them.
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Well lets look at it this way. What if you release your music for free and some Movie producer like your music and decide to use your music in a Movie that make a lot of money. Should you not be compensated for the use of the music? And what if this movie producer "forget" to compensate you? Do you have the money to pay a Lawyer to run your case against such a strong financial company?
And I know there is a difference between commercial and free but still there are many ways an artists can be cheated even when the music is free. One way is when commercial interests make use of the free music to make money.
And NO they do not at all own your music. On the contrary to a Record label who in many cases own your music and sometimes your artist name and in rare cases even your personal name too (unless you make sure to make them agree on the contrary in the agreement), in this case KODA or a Publishing Agency do not own your music or own the rights. They only get a small percentage of the money they collect for you.
And yes IF I had registered my music with a musicians organization you would have to pay a fee to release it for free. But in the case where the artists is not a member no you do not have to pay anything. But that's not what we debate. He asked me to come up with a good example why a danish artist should consider signing up with KODA and why its a good thing to have a contract with a Publishing Agency in order to protect your rights as an artist. Rights any other profession see as an automatic normal thing. www.beatagency.dk |
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 19:37
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I was going to say that a CC license can limit the usage, but then again:
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You got a point here.
Question is, will they protect you even when you got a CC license, and they got no money since it's free.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 11, 2011 19:44
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On 2011-01-11 19:37, Mike A wrote:
I was going to say that a CC license can limit the usage, but then again:
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You got a point here.
Question is, will they protect you even when you got a CC license, and they got no money since it's free.
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I am not sure I understand your question
But to be honest I dont know if a CC license will protect you in such a case even when it say so on the "paper"as you still have to go to court and pay a lawyer etc. Until now I haven't heard about such cases ever so I am unsure how it work.
Of course when music is free it's free and you do not expect to get any money out of it. So the line is really thin here. On one side you want people to enjoy your music for free but you do not want commercial interest to benefit economical from your music unless they of course pay you.
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