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Help re-creating a Chemical Crew bassline
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 05:08
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On 2005-10-21 23:38, Zimon Post Forced wrote:
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On 2005-10-21 12:42, NikC wrote:
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Concerning compression,
You don't necessarily need it, but it gives you more controll over the sound...
As EYB rightly pointed out, use the search and find out more, and maybe you'll realise why it's probably used in the Chemical basslines.
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LOL, ask any artists how he compress his bass, he will laugh in your face.... 
To compress your bass is the most stupidist thing you can do, it hides the sound... ok... i stop now there's no point...
Go head Compression is killer !!!! 
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 You either don't know what you're talking about, or you're using huge generalisations which completely ignore various scenarios in which compressing the bassline (whether using a compressor or by other means) is absolutely the right way to get a particular sound.
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damage
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 07:04
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try to make some new, more dynamic and solid basslines. much more of a challange, but well worth it when you get it right.
use synths with `portamento`to get really nice bassrolling effects and nice , tight bending on some notes.
the rest is details which depends on what the sound is doing and what you want it to do, but it is important to start with a good, solid bass sound from a good synth or softsynth.
just a thought 
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Zimon Post Forced
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 08:49
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On 2005-10-22 05:08, Colin OOOD wrote:
You either don't know what you're talking about, or you're using huge generalisations which completely ignore various scenarios in which compressing the bassline (whether using a compressor or by other means) is absolutely the right way to get a particular sound.
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Of course if you wanna pumping house sound, you have to compress, but the case here was to get a CC bass... anyway...
Not gonna stick to this forver... so i drop it...
Maybe you have to listen to the diffrence on some Hidley/Kinoshita, to understand what im talking about....  |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 21:49
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Try dropping a tune with the desired bassline in your sequencer, getting the tempo right, and writing right over top of it.
That way you can do quick A/B comparisons to compare your sound.
Drop a lowpass filter over the entire mix and see what the frequencies are doing around 40, 60, 100, and 500Hz.
It's all right there, you just have to listen VEEEEEEERRRRRRRY carefully.
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illusions
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Posted : Oct 22, 2005 23:12
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zimon postforced: no compression on CC basslines ? are you kidding me ? |
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e-fact
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Posted : Oct 23, 2005 15:47
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zimon, how can u say that all the artists don´t use compression? hueahea compression and eq are simply the most important tools in production...
the only thing that doesn´t need compression is that thing that comes ´already compressed´ remember that everybody whishes to get as much linear frequencies as possible on the frequency analyzer, so your song will get full of power :-o |
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TRapp
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 13:14
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On 2005-10-23 15:47, e-fact wrote:
zimon, how can u say that all the artists don´t use compression? hueahea compression and eq are simply the most important tools in production...
the only thing that doesn´t need compression is that thing that comes ´already compressed´ remember that everybody whishes to get as much linear frequencies as possible on the frequency analyzer, so your song will get full of power :-o
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um thats crap.....
compressors are important tools , but you dont have to shove them on everything....
its important to know how they work best and where to use them best...because if you over compress you will undoubtly fuck the track up and do alot of damage to the feeling and quality of the track....
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Fugga
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Posted : Oct 24, 2005 16:10
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I think the trick for cc (skazi) is solid bass sound , and then do a major eq cut in the 1-2k area.
then bounce and maximise bass seperatly from the rest of the track. |
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 00:57
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Compression is not mandatory in music, it depends on kind of music you want to make (e.g. old Jazz records don't use compression). Compressors are related to sound dinamics and if you use them a lot, you can kill the dinamics on your sounds. But hey dude, it's only to have care about it and everything it's ok. Nowadays, it's very commom to use (and abuse) of compressors, specially for these lovely in-your-face sounds. I really cannot live without compression in my Kick & Bass (full band, multiband, sidechain etc ;-)
And the valves compressors are the most powerful to make in-your-face sounds. Valves sound better than solid state devices, I mean warmer and more musical, but you can find for yourself by visiting the links below...
1. The Cool Sound of Tubes
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/sep05/1640
2. Tubes vs Transistors: Is there an audible difference?
http://www.dwfearn.com/tvst1.htm
Other great info:
3. Reader's guide to vintage gear by Fletcher
http://www.mercenary.com/readguidtovi.html
4. Where To Use (Valves...)Processors http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar98/articles/procesor.html
Back to the question about bass & kick: just use sidechain compression and you will find the right way for pumping trance tracks.
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vajrasana
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 13:50
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if you wanna re-create a chemical crew bassline the easy way is TB-303 soft-or-hard ware.rebirth???? |
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Fugga
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 16:18
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a while back i asked skazi about his bass, an he replied with this answer .......
QUOTE: ASHER SKAZI:..
"sup man
storm track basslin is made by virus a tru beringer mx9000...
now i am not using the mx9000(mixingdesck)
digital is the way...
i think if you got hardwere synths ithe bass will suond bettr .
virus-is killer
nord-killer
adromeda alesis-wwwwwwwwwwwoooooooooowwwwwwww
inportent:to got a killer suondard or converter for recored hardwere!!!!!!!!!!
and for now i am using virus c and vst s
scorpiom-good but need to bunce it to mono
monology-killer smode an ull sync(staynberg vs taynberg)
tb -doin the job
now i try to do bass from the ks4 novetion (hard.) fun tool......
all vst or other need to eq+comp/ for good bass dynamic
in aelera it was tb
try to do bass with the tb well cut from 1kz push the 100hz and cut the 30 or 40hz
then ompress it with full atakk no relese then L-2 it it ill suond killer
i hop i help you man
asher skazi "
END QUOTE"
so there you have it, straight from the guy himself....
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EYB
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 16:29
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Thanks Fugga
@Zimon Post farts, so no compression on cc bass? haha 
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CyberBaba
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 17:58
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Thanks : Fugga fof the info u got from Skazi himself !
Thanks every1 else for ur inputs |
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NikC
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Posted : Oct 26, 2005 18:27
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Fugga: thanks alot for that! 
Yep... compression definitely used - straight from the horses mouth eh!
So mr. Post Forced as you said before:
"LOL, ask any artists how he compress his bass, he will laugh in your face.... "
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Fugga
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Posted : Oct 27, 2005 05:37
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hey people, I was hoping that some of you would be able to clear up a few points on ashers's advise...
like when he said...
QUOTE: asher skazi...
"monology-killer smode an ull sync(staynberg vs taynberg) " END QUOTE
?? Is he refering to the "Monologue" vst ? and what is "ull sync" ? is it "full sync" ??
Also asher said "staynberg vs taynberg" ?? what is he refering to? Stienberg vs tay???......
there was also this what i was hoping to clarify..
QUOTE: Asher skazi...."then ompress it with full atakk no relese then L-2 it it ill suond killer " END QUOTE.
??? When he says compress with full attack, and no release..... do you think he is saying.. (eg).."ATTACK -1000 mls" and "RELEASE - 1 mls" ????
your opions would be apreciated !
I moved on from this bass issue a while back after having success woth my own style bass....BUT i still really love there bass and also exaile's is dam fine too.
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