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Help in creating the Psytrance Beat and bass-line!!!- kicks and hithats sequence!
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cryogen
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 07:29
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Hello, somebody can help me?
Im starting in the music creation of psytrance, and im not be able to create the "sequence" of the psytrance rythm. I ned to create the bass-line, and next the combination of the kick, synth sounds and hithats. somebody can give me some sequence to make it??
I testing using the Subtractor and the Matrix but i cant! :S
I use Reason 2.5 with Rebirth + Recycle,
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 13:34
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Kick every 1/4
open hihats between the kicks
closed hihats every 1/16
claps every 1/2
bassline at 1/16's, 1/32 note length.
this should get you started.
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Jeto
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 20:24
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This way you wil make full on formulated trance.
There is no right and wrong...
Just try it and experiment till you find your own sequence! |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 20:29
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On 2004-08-21 20:24, Jeto wrote:
This way you wil make full on formulated trance.
There is no right and wrong...
Just try it and experiment till you find your own sequence!
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Yes thats right, but i think it is good to know how the formulated trance is made. And i think we want to learn exactly this.
Next step is finding out new grooves your own grooves.
Therefore add more layers, percussion like bongos and djembes for example.
peace
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cryogen
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 21:01
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br0d
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 21:06
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It's not the techniques used which make a style of music formulated, it's the ideas, phrases, motifs, the song development. People are perfectly within their right to ask about how the techniques are pulled off, IMO. I think a lot of times people neg full-on because they don't know how to pull it off?  |
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cryogen
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Posted : Aug 21, 2004 21:59
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On 2004-08-21 21:06, br0d wrote:
It's not the techniques used which make a style of music formulated, it's the ideas, phrases, motifs, the song development. People are perfectly within their right to ask about how the techniques are pulled off, IMO. I think a lot of times people neg full-on because they don't know how to pull it off?
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Yes, all the people say the same thing and thats correct, this is directly to make the music thats good, but, exist a little thing in that be stay the difference between style of music (dance, techno, trance, etc) Some sounds are very very specificly of that kind of rythm, the rythm that im interested is the fullon psytrance bassline and the complete beat. For example, sesto sento, suria, alien project and all the psytrance musicians have the same "timeline" in they tracks. That is that i want!
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 15:44
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it is not so much the programming in the matrix editor (this easily can be boring standard), it´s much more the twiddling of knobs, the envelopes, the sounds and thir fx that make the difference.
so i think it isn´t worth wasting too much time in the midi programming -
ALLWAYS LOTS OF 16th NOTES, THAT´S ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS
(at least for me it is the origin of straight forward and trance inducing hypnosis)
SPEND MUCH OF YOUR TIME IN SYNTHS, SAMPLERS AND ESPECIALLY IN FX/SIGNAL PROCESSORS TO CREATE EXTREMELY SYNTHETIC AND INNOVATIVE SOUNDZ. FUCK ORGANIC KITS! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE. |
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Anak
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 20:27
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On 2004-08-22 15:44, deejayridoo wrote:
FUCK ORGANIC KITS! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PSYCHEDELIC TRANCE.
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Listen up, listen up! I bet native american shamans used to play their grooves with Roland GrooveBoxes as well!
organic sounds sound super good in trance music. if you dont like it you dont, but to say it has nothing to do with trance is utter bullocks.
cryogen: mike a answered you properly.
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cryogen
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 21:00
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Hey guys! thank you for your reply! I'm working in the bassline that Mike A tell me. I trying it using Reason, but some people tell me that CUBASE SX is more good than Reason, and i will test in the 2 softs! anyway im working hard to make good music!
If somebody have more info, please post it!!  |
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 23, 2004 12:59
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Hellu Cryo!
If you are new to both Reason and Cubase you might want to start with Reason as Cubase can be overwhelming at first (at times it still is for me).
One thing that is important for your groove is the careful use of compression. By tweaking the attack and release settings of a compressor, you can change the natural 'groove' of a sound by adjusting how quickly it comes in and out of volume. You'll need monitors to really hear this, but it adds an essential element to things like rims and *especially* hihats (I love that doof-PSSHT-doof-PSSHT of a properly tweaked hihat).
But this is something to worry about after you've started getting a feel for the basic groove, so if it seems troublesome at first don't worry about it.
It's a long road, but if you're working hard then it is only a matter of time until you get to where you want to be.
Happy tweaking!
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cryogen
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 00:41
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On 2004-08-23 12:59, fuzzikitten wrote:
Hellu Cryo!
If you are new to both Reason and Cubase you might want to start with Reason as Cubase can be overwhelming at first (at times it still is for me).
One thing that is important for your groove is the careful use of compression. By tweaking the attack and release settings of a compressor, you can change the natural 'groove' of a sound by adjusting how quickly it comes in and out of volume. You'll need monitors to really hear this, but it adds an essential element to things like rims and *especially* hihats (I love that doof-PSSHT-doof-PSSHT of a properly tweaked hihat).
But this is something to worry about after you've started getting a feel for the basic groove, so if it seems troublesome at first don't worry about it.
It's a long road, but if you're working hard then it is only a matter of time until you get to where you want to be.
Happy tweaking!
-Alex
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COOL ALEX! Thank you! yeah, im thinkin this end of week that im will work with reaosn, more flexlible i think. but how can i create the Tweaks, bro??
If you can, tell me about it more specially!
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fuzzikitten
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 05:23
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On 2004-08-24 00:41, cryogen wrote:
but how can i create the Tweaks, bro??
If you can, tell me about it more specially!
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Absolutely.
This is the method I have been using (and describing on here) a lot, it seems to work really well for accentuating a groove.
Set the ratio to around 8:1 (high, so we can hear the compression easily).
Set the release to max.
Set the attack to 0.
Now, as the sound is playing in it's pattern, start lowering the threshold until the sound is clearly compressed for most of the sound. For a hihat it will go from "psst! psst!" to something like "p--- p---" (sorry, this would be easier to describe in person!). Basically you want to CLEARLY hear the compressor engaging and squashing the sound.
Then start reducing the release amount. What we are doing is setting how quickly the compressor backs off of the sound, as you get to smaller values you will notice the sound start to 'swing' as the compressor backs off in time with the groove. This is the key setting, so adjust slowly and listen carefully. (for a fast sound like a hihat, my release times are around 30ms or so)
Next, increase the attack so that there is some of the original attack back in the sound (helps to give it bite). (For a hihat I'm usually around .20 ms or so, though not sure about this value)
Then reduce the ratio (8:1 is very high), down to a level that sounds good (I typically compress from 1.1:1 to 2.5:1 or so).
Lastly, tweak the threshold some, raising or lowering just a tad.
Basically the trick I've found is to adjust one parameter at a time, listening carefully to what it is doing to your sound. Using compression well you can get almost any sound to 'pump' with your mix (which can be overdone, but if it sounds good do it!).
Hope that helps.
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