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sidon
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 01:33
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Hi all,
I am making a new track ,
My problem is that my bass and kick mix gets too loud and then my all mix gets clipping.
I use basic 4X4 kick and bass on every other 16th execp the ones of the kick :
kick bass bass bass kick bass ....
I make the kick to be -2db and the bass to be -4db , but still I get a constant level clipping (above 0 db ).
I wanted to upload an example, but I dont know how .
thanks,
Sid
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 01:49
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If they get to loud, lower them..
set the kick to desired Db and baseline aswell, if they get to wild together something is wrong, probably clashing, eq and mix so they fit..and dont boost too much in the lowend, too much will steal headroom and loudness from your mix...
you could also
use a compressor to limit the kick and Eq the bass and kick to fit eachother..
remember that the length of the sounds should,(coulda woulda) be matched, if the bass is too long and deep and the kick is aswell, then they going to clash and bury eachother, so fiddle with the lenght of the kick and bass, percussion parts aswell 
and dont mix too loud keep it low and boost it later
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sidon
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 01:56
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Hi,
thanks for the quick answer .
I have set the kick db and bass db so separtly they are fine . but when played togehther they get too loud (above the 0db) , what I dont understand is why it happens , since I have them played at differnt times , what I thought is that if i Play them like this they will not cross each other !?
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 04:27
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It depends on the sound, even if you dont put one bass note under the kick it can clash with it..
they might boost the same frequency just by overlapping....
They might live in the same frequency area...
try pitching the kick up&down, or change it.. have you boosted the kick and the bass with eq? what have you done?
dont focus on db too much, just make sure the bass and kick dont go to high, you can focus on that when you are finished with everything else, then you can play with levels..
i dont understand why you need them at certain leveles when they clipp together at those leveles..
maybe its not the kick and bass thats the problem, have you checked the percussion, and leads... and everything else too spot where it clipps(if it constantly clipps you need to lower something, obviously )
i really need to hear it to understand what you mean
sorry for not being much help m8!
explain more and i bet someone can help you
/Stoned and tired
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ZilDoggo
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 12:49
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i think you should look carefully at your envelopes.,
it's very propable that one of the sounds (or both) still go on for a while when the nore is over .,
so they play together.,
if you set the release times shorter then the previous notes will be over faster and there will be more headroom for the next sound to play.,.,
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bLv
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 13:34
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Adjust the kick channel fader so that it sits somewhere between -6dB and -10dB (old rule of thumb?) on the master channel output (i usually start at -6dB). always mix everything in the track relative to the kick. dont move the kick channel fader again!! (unless really neccessary)
this way the mix always seem to finish 1 or so dB's below 0.
niiiiice and perfect
peace
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mubali
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Posted : Jul 7, 2004 22:43
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I have to agree with blv on his particular tip. I have my kick somewhere at -7.5 dB and I mix my bass usually 2 to 3 dB lower than the kick, and I make sure that everything else has a lower dB than the bassline. Works fine for me...
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sidon
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 00:51
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Hi,
First of all thanks .
I had my "rule of tum"
to have the kick at -2db and the bass at -4db ,
it worked fine for a slower track I made (140 BMP),
bu tnow at 143 BMP same kick sample seems to have a too long reales and hold ,
I have shorted it , but still it gets too loud db wise.
So i guess I should start working with lower dbs on the kick .
Does any body set the Kick's db at -2db ?
or all use lower db like you have mentioned here -5 / -7 etc.
also do I guess you all use samples for the kick (?) so how long of a sample do you use in order to make the bass sit nicely with the kick ?
thanks,
Sid
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Elad
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 01:17
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br0d
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 09:07
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-5dB/-5dB is a recognized ceiling/standard in modern mixing. -7dB/7dB would be acceptable too. if you are going to try -3dB/-3dB, you are going to need limiters and a lot of patience.
the key is to set them to the same amount and then fiddle with their timbral and envelope properties until they groove/pulse like one relatively clean, rolling entity. there are many ways to do this, not the least of which is "getting a new sample."
ALWAYS eq out the bullshit as the first link in your FX chain. you'd be surprised at how much headroom gets eaten up by infrasonic/inaudible frequencies in both bass and kick. set hipass filters on whatever you can, taking care to only eliminate the inaudible. it's like jenga. what can i take out, and what are the consequences elsewhere? does it have to be done in EQ, or can i be purist and fix this problem with one of the controls at the source (synth VCA sustain level, etc.)
jenga is a highly symbolic and metaphorical game with ramifications for mixing. i recommend you play jenga while passively listening to your mixes with your no-mind turned on. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 15:00
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Mike A
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 17:43
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You can use sidechain compression.
Get the TC Compressor.
Put it on the bassline, and the sidechainer on the kick.
Turn on key input in the compressor and compress with the fastest attack and release, and hold time set to zero.
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Surrender
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Posted : Jul 10, 2004 18:29
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i'm no expert... actually just a novice, but i think there is no reason to use anything on either the kick on the bass.
just volume.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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