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TranceBoy
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 02:31:48
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Hi istra trance members i need help about psytrance produciton , i am new at this so i still learning...i work in fl studio... My question is how to cut track freq. form 20hz to 15hz , Do I have to each samples separately Eq-unig and cuting ,or only cut on master ?Or i need to compressing ?That part of production confuses me  sorry for bad eng. and Thanks in advance |
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dija
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 05:30
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you would use a device called a parametric eq and set the Q very thin so it only covers 5hz and then drop it all the way. you may want to drop it on duplicate eqs as eqs only drop by so many db. it was also noted in an earlier thread that fruity edison will remove selected frequencies for you as well.
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marcz
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 05:36
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if you cut on master you'll cut your entire mix so i guess you'd want to assign your elements to different channels on your mixer to work with them separetely and then put an equalizer on it |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 06:45
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Very strange choice of a range to cut. 
Why would you cut 15-20 Hz but leave anything below 15 Hz? You can't hear anything there anyway. Why not just do a high-pass at 20 Hz instead (something your mastering engineer will probably ask you to do anyway)? |
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Mike A
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 08:48
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On 2010-10-09 06:45, Maine Coon wrote:
(something your mastering engineer will probably ask you to do anyway)?
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Or do it himself?
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daark
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 10:26
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wizanda
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 12:24
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Cut everything except kick, have 20hz cut on master, the bass needs cutting to leave room for the kick, hats need cutting to make sure they leave space, etc. 
In FL there is a built in EQ on each mixer channel, use these to remove none necessary frequencies, which leaves more room in the mix overall. 
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TranceBoy
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 13:30
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Thanks guys for the help , i want to do low cut 20hz and cut @ 15hz because I heard somewhere thath samples be difrent and sound changed fitting more in place. |
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elastic_plastic
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 13:38
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cut...eq each sample separately!!! avoid experimenting nethin on the master channel unless u r really experienced and know what ur doing !!! |
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jekvan
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 14:12
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On 2010-10-09 13:30, TranceBoy wrote:
Thanks guys for the help , i want to do low cut 20hz and cut @ 15hz because I heard somewhere thath samples be difrent and sound changed fitting more in place.
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I am really novice in this and I shouldn't give any advice at all,but I'd say the main reason for EQ is having many sound layers make some of the sounds overlap-overlap in frequencies.
As it was discovered by some dude called Fourier (when he was undoubtebly trippin on shrooms),every wave is more or less a sum of many many many (well,infinite many) basic waveforms,on infinite frequencies range.
If you study some music theory,or god forbid ,go to university and study something called "Fourier series",you will see that only the first frequencies are what produces most of the wave-or most of the sound.Aditional frequencies is what makes the sound sounds "fater".
Now,when two frequencies which are alike or same getting together,they can combine with each other.You can throw a rock to the pool,and then another rock,and you will see the waves combining.It can create different wave,or in extreme cases,it can nullify both waves or create "resonance",creating big big wave.The wave do not have to be same,they can be close in their frequencies to interact with each other,so mostly we deal with a band of waves in a sound,and not single ones.
So,anyway,having preseted instruments means they play in a shitload of frequencies,some of them may add little to sound,and they can collide with another instrument which has same frequency band waves.
Here is where you need an EQ for mostly,you have to remove the frequencies which collide with each other,and do not contribute much to the sound (or even make it sound shitty on your opinion).Otherwise,you can get some nasty sounding effects.
So,having EQ on master is,hmm,its for mastering I'd say,you first and foremost have to EQ each sound separately in flstudio mixer (there is built in EQ in down right corner,but it sucks ass,there is plugin called parametric EQ 2,it sucks ass less).
Offcourse then,I have no idea much what I'm talking about,I have not mastered EQ nearly enough myself. |
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orgytime
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 15:56
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you say, you are new... why you care for such a specific issue? do you meant 20Hz - 15 kHz maybe?
nevertheless im most mastering tutorials, the say you should cut everything below 20-30Hz... so leave it until your track is finished. if you really want to play the track on parties, you should consider to master it.
if you want to learn a littlebit EQing, google "Andy Vax mixing secrets", its a FREE viedeo tutorial (700mb as i remember).
cheers
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 20:57
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On 2010-10-09 15:56, orgytime wrote:
do you meant 20Hz - 15 kHz maybe?
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That's what I suspected too. Except, that's pretty much the whole audio range. What kind of music is he producing, if it contains only sounds above 15 kHz?
In any case - whether it's 15-20 Hz or 20-15000 Hz, cutting a band does not make any sense. In the first case, you can cut everything below 20. In the second case you can cut everything below 15 K.
People got hung up on whether you do it yourself or let your mastering engineer do it for you. And they missed the main point of my previous post: cutting a 5 Hz wide band below the audible range is a waste of your effort, because you don't need anything below that band anyway.
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daark
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 21:59
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actualy maximus in fl studio i saw has a low freq cuttoff. what surely proves to you that you should leave it for mastering. if u'll lowCUT the bass you'll hear it sounds better and louder but trust me leave it for mastering.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Oct 9, 2010 22:15
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On 2010-10-09 15:56, orgytime wrote:
do you meant 20Hz - 15 kHz maybe?
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That's what I suspected too. Except, that's pretty much the whole audio range. What kind of music is he producing, if it contains only sounds above 15 kHz?
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maybe he writes sounds strictly for bats in ultrasonic
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wizanda
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Posted : Oct 10, 2010 15:02
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The reason for 20Hz is that speakers fail to represent anything below it and also humans, yet a speaker will blow, if its pushed to hard in a frequency it can't produce.
Also take into account, if your sending a signal to effects, it will also boost what's not cut in advance; so by cutting, it then only maximizes the bits you need.
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