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Help about music dinamics.
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schuenck
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 14:13
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First, I´m sorry, but my english its not very good.
here is my doubt:
I wonder if someone could give me some tips about the matematic dinamic of an music, for example; the music has to have cicles of 4 on4, u have to use an "crash", the bass track has to be 16 ciles of 4 kicks steps, the same with the druns track...
I don´t know if I could make my self clear enough about my doubt...
Thanks
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 19, 2003 17:53
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listen to a lot of first-rate professional psytrance! its as simple as that!
anyway it sounds like you have it fairly sorted - by default, bars have 4 beats per bar, with a kick drum on each, and the primary other rhythmical subdivision is 16th (for bassline/hi hats/etc). the track then tends to switch up in phrases of 8/16/32 etc bars. small change after 8, bigger one after 16, total breakdown after 64, etc, whatever.
however one of the most beautiful things about making psy is that the structure is very freeform, especially compared to genres like dnb.
there is no particular set way of working your phrases and structure ... you can pretty much do what you like, including adding cheeky extra bars, cheekily switching up before/after the phrase point, etc, etc
so the only way to get a good flow for the music is to listen to a lot of it, go partying to it a lot, preferably on psychadelics, dj it as well if possible... and let that flow become entirely natural to you
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schuenck
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 01:08
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That´s what I´m doing,, listening a Lot,, its helping very much...
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jon
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 16:27
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yeah i just started reading this book Energy Flash which is a history of 'rave culture'.
Anyway it reports how Juan Atkins, Derrick May and those gods of techno used to sit around when they were just starting out in Detroit 'philosophizing' about the early electro /new wave music they were listening to. They were thinking about the intentions of the artist, the mood the artist was trying to create, and presumably the structure of the tracks and methods the artist used to create the effects....
I think it's a good idea!  Even write down some notes on a tune you really like - when the parts come in/out etc.
I went for ages before realizing how all psy trance tunes have a similar structure (8/16/32 bars etc etc) and I was a mathematician! I was a bit ashamed.
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Nik
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 18:31
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yea interesting how the multiples of 4 seem so natural to the groove. i mean.... four is just a number. why 4?
can u imagine dance music in 7/6?
why 4?
4 is the magic number!!!!! |
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 01:34
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Anak
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 12:11
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solipt1c
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Posted : Nov 22, 2003 13:45
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the number after the / is always going to be
1/2/4/8/16.... and almost always 4 or 8.
cos the number before means "how many beats in a bar" and the number after means "what kind of note each of those beats is"
and there's such thing as a whole-note (1 - semibreve), half-note (2 - minim), quarter note (4 - crotchet), eigth note (8 - quaver), sixteenth note (16 - semiquaver), etc.
but there's no such thing as a 6th-note.
that would be a triplet crotchet i suppose and we dont use triplet length notes in time signatures.
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