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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 04:50
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am i suppose to recognize u by yr signature?
if yes i'd say 'holy shit'!!!
ok i wont expose u in public!  .ParadoX Rocks. |
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illusions
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Posted : Mar 21, 2007 08:03
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On 2007-03-21 04:40, Ido (Domestic) wrote:
youre as right as my right leg!
but hey...we're at the 'loudness wars age'
so i guess we'll just need to continue fighting peaks till some day we'll win..
i wish there was a -13db rms law , that would peak ha...
btw have u noticed any lowcut on yr lavry blue when a/d ?
really slight one but it drives me crazy .
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quoting Bob Katz from the thread with Chris Athens on gearslutz "
A/D converters, when they clip, will also not produce any "illegal" (out of band) signals because their built-in lowpass filters are located POST the clipping mechanism. As long as you don't push them too hard, they are the best place to clip (if you're going to clip)."
Pushing too hard  ?
PS: I don't know anything, just thought that quote might be relevant. |
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sy000321
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Posted : Mar 30, 2007 20:36
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hi
i was reading this thread and got the inspiration to make a "clipping VST".
i finished it some 10 hours ago and i'm still working on the user interface design, but i'll give the file to anyone wishing to test it.
it works by "placing" a virtual ceilling on the channel i'ts used, not allowing any peaks above that point.
it's 100% C++ for VST for windows machines.
PM me for the file. i'm also working in other similar dinamic processors.
thanks
roll a joint or STFU :) |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 30, 2007 21:12
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the evolution of rms levels that's going on in the last years drives the mastering eng' to go higher and higher.
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i don t get it,i m far to be very experienced,correct me if i m wrong but insteed of using more limiting why not get a more balanced mix?sometimes i need just 1 or 2 db of limiting to get at the standar rms level with just using light compression on the mix(never to get more rms,just to glue or make something stand out...)so really i dont understand or maybe my mix are very unbalanced i don t know,something might be wrong in my projects. |
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M-THEORY
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Posted : Mar 31, 2007 03:29
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 Great thread...... !!! some wicked... expert advice.....will be trying it all out for sure....
.... but... there is one thing thats got me really curious now......
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On 2007-03-21 04:50, Ido (Domestic) wrote:
am i suppose to recognize u by yr signature?
if yes i'd say 'holy shit'!!!
ok i wont expose u in public!
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 who? who? who?
hahaha.... sababa!
http://www.myspace.com/mtheoryuk
www.alchemyrecords.co.uk |
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 00:36
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wowo , thanx ido
*running make some tests*
keep em coming 
btw , how u go about paralel compression to clip abit as well ?
tho i tend to get too much phase problem with that , like sort of chorus 
*damm , i used timeworks limiter 3 years , then ditch it when l2 was here.. actualy thought it sound abit wrong.. i guess always trust ears not forums!
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Psynaesthesian
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 02:33
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Superb stuff mates !!!
Goes to show that there is some real experteeeez in the psy music world!! Feels great to know that there is so much to learn and do!! The sky can't be the limit - we're striving beyond!!
Back to topic.....
I'm gonna stick to my Reason no matter what people tell me .... i'll shift to the sx's n live's when i'm good n ready.
Through experimentation i've found that keeping my Master Mixer out level at around 80/127 gives me good results so far as sound is concerned. Bringing the level up to 100 which is norm/preset just makes the mix more airy n yucks.
I spose this would eliminate the need for any headroom as i can prolly master it at the fag end with a lil tweaking on the MClass Mastering Suit Combi's that've been packed in. But it still doesn't give me any control on the clipping.
Who says clipping is ok in a track? Would the slightest clip harm listeners in any way ... i spose it would but then that would be subject to the level of clip. +2 to +3dB is i think bearable to the human ear.
I still have to test this on studio / high end monitors tho.
Keep It Real!! AAAAiiiiight!!
B'om Shankara!!!
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RenderingRebel
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Posted : Apr 23, 2007 17:23
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WOW!
Im amazed by the power of the cubase master fader
I was a bit sceptic about this but i've tried it combined with some mastering plugs from the uad
Great result, i get all the level i need(not close, but just the same level as cd masters)
Thanx for the enlightment ido!
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dija
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 13:28
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If in fact the only reason for clipipng tracks is to keep up with the loudness war then it is wrong. Actually I can't think of any other reason to do it. I'd also be happy if we could all lower the max rms level |
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 24, 2007 13:52
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well , most sound engineers forgot that listener got volume knob at home.. and eq , and he will use them!
and some other peaple actualy like squashed as fuck sound.
i would maximize my tracks tho a little bit , and all ido says is that cubase master fader will do the job 100% , just ignore red lights as long your eas says OK.
on other matter ... after analized some domestic tracks , i can pritty much also be sure that high pass filter was emplyd where i wouldnt do it , is the kick actulay cutted at 50hz ? and only the bass goes to sub ?
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astrotec
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Posted : Apr 26, 2007 21:28
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digital clip? what a load of crap. |
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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : May 26, 2007 08:58
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Btw guys , best limiter i heard latley is the Sony oxford limiter which now comes as vst native , no need for the Powercore for it.
its truely an amazing one , finally a true good limiter as a plugin .
by far i think its the only one who beats the clippng process , it sounds quite the same but it does some kind of compression that really glues the track together without losing any dynamics .
the only problem is that it cost like 200 pounds , but i guess im gonna buy it anyway
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Upavas
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Posted : May 26, 2007 10:49
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PoM
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Posted : May 26, 2007 11:15
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chris organic
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 17:13
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Its a very interesting discussion. On the one hand you have some of the best pros in the world telling us they theory, and how it works with the best equipment you can get... on the other hand we have a psytrance pro telling us to blast the master.. nice bit of old skool DJ theory 
Ultimately as Ido said, it really depends on the style of music... those pro guys are working on totally different style of music, totally "un-punchy" as Ido would say. And the best bit of advice of all was about Eqing and compressing stuff right in the first place... if you cant get a mix right doesnt matter if you bounce it at 72,000 bits and send the master up to the moon... it will still be a shit mix.
I'm testing some mixes with Idos theory and its amazing the results... you gotta zoom in really close to see the difference tho you can see it if you run some good analyzers. I think it definately works best with very short bass notes... the really punchiest of the punchy.
Does anyone have an opinion on Bob Katz & Paul Frindles' discussion in the thread above about keeping the levels LOWER to clean things up....? |
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