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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 21:48
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Logic sounds the same to me when clipping the master tho i feel more comfortable with cubase clipping.
i know that Chris Athens ,the guy who masters and Coldplay uses this clipping method on Samplitude and Sequia .
Never tried ableton tho.
i tried to find that link on Gearslutz.com about chris athens but i cant find it now but u can read about it there..  .ParadoX Rocks. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 22:00
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I right my tracks on ableton but i tend to do the proper mixing on cubase, the metering on ableton is not precise you don't know where you stand. don't get me wrong though i usually get a very good premixed session on live but then you want something like cubase logic or protools for the mixing..... cause they offer a much better range of options(mixing wise) and are more precise even for the little audio editing.
I'm sure many people actually don't even bother and do everything on live but as a sound engineer i like to have thing a certain way. |
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 22:41
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Wow, thats quite a revelation! Thanks very much for that secret. (first learn the rules than break them... you got it Ido)
I never thought of limiting in cubase...
But I will try for sure... actually I was just thinking about spending my UAD vouchers on a "precision limiter"..... but...
I know it's going a little into mastering now, but I would wonder what singleband compressors (software or hardware) you guys like for the summ before limiting
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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Mar 14, 2007 22:54
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i wouldnt spend my vouchers on the precision limiter - dont get me wrong it is good but i think its not really designed for psytrance and it gets very untransparent when trying to reach real master level and kills the punch too much just like l2.
but it is quite good if u dont go up the red leds of it which is NOT high enough and i dont think its enough for master.
i like alot the Urs - 1970 and 1980 - the uad 1176 and i just got my new Manley Varimu comp which is quite amazing - not very fast but very colored and thats what i exactly looked for. .ParadoX Rocks. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 00:26
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I use a Focusrite Compounder in my mastering chain - it's got a nice smooth sound and the bass expansion control adds real warmth to the track. Also the Steinberg Mastering Edition Loudness Maximizer adds a good level to a track if you use it sparingly; too much though and it sounds kak. OOOD's last album was mastered using a Manley Vari-Mu btw, it's a peach.
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On 2007-03-14 11:47, Ido (Domestic) wrote:
of course i wouldnt recomend to clip too much before master , but i would sure not be worried about +1 to +2db cliping , it would even make it better for mastering after , since the higher clips are already gone in the 1st bounce , which will make my compressor work more accurated on the peak levels after AND would make it much easier to push more at the final level cuz - again the higher peaks are gone and wouldnt 'sonicly' clip when pushed to master level.
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If you want to reduce your tallest peaks without clipping, you can just use a good limiter as the first process in your mastering chain. What clipping does give you that limiting doesn't though is a sharp burst of high frequencies (aka distortion) at each clip, which is probably responsible for the sense of increased clarity. Personally I'd rather get the clarity in the mix from the very beginning than add it in mastering by clipping all my lovely transients! But different strokes for different folks, there's nothing wrong with clipping if it gives you the sound you want (as long as you don't take it too far!); I'll probably try it myself next time!
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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 01:40
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u should try that colin , and u'd find that its more transparent than using a limiter , at least a Vst limter.
when u a/b it u simply dont hear the difference and thats what we aiming for when maximizing arent we.
for me the cubase clipping acts like a very good limiter rather than clipping for some reason , and it doesnt distort at all.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 02:24
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mk47
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 06:13
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hello masters , i gots a noob question , pls answer if u could , ok so iv been advised by some pro to keep start with by kick @ -6 and bass @ -7.5 or so .. do i have to do that even if im not going to be sending the track to a ME ? for now all id like is to get a loud mix .
thnx
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ASTARTICA
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 08:01
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 14:32
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Interesting way to master, i just have a question how would we limit the peaks to -0.2 which is the normal practice when using limiters..
Also do you just import the mixdown into a new project put the channel fader up by a couple of db's and export it again?
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 15:20
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Alright i just tried it out & its true that the L2 colors and distorts the low end a bit compared to doing it through SX..
I've got another question though, what is the best way to dither down from 24bit to 16bit after we're done maximizing?
I use the soundforge bit-depth converter but i'm not convinced its the best one out there..Any thoughts on this?
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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 15:22
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best one for my opinion is the UV22hr of cubase , also very transparnet compared with L2's dithering which cuts the lowend a bit.
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Ido (Domestic)
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 15:25
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On 2007-03-15 14:32, Get-a-fix wrote:
Interesting way to master, i just have a question how would we limit the peaks to -0.2 which is the normal practice when using limiters..
Also do you just import the mixdown into a new project put the channel fader up by a couple of db's and export it again?
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i Usually burn my masters on Audio montage in wavelab so what i do is import the mastered trax and than just take 0.1 down for all trax then burn .
if u dont wanna use that u should just import the mastered track and export again with -0.1 db down , but u dont have to cuz these peaks are anyway not gonna hurt the track.
i think u have to do it when its a real master that gonna go for printing cuz the problem is that sometimes that clips make some cd players not to read it . but as long its just for playing its ok
btw l2 is actually doing a good job on the lowend , and it actually almost never distort the sound , the problem is it kills the punch completly when all frquencies are played , but it is quite good on only kick a nd bass. .ParadoX Rocks. |
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Seppa
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 15:29
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I use voxengo r8brain PRO. its does the job properly |
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makus
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Posted : Mar 15, 2007 15:38
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not from me