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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 03:41
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but at the end of the day whatever sounds good works. experimenting with 1khz at different volumes might be a good idea.
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the fletcher munson curve doens`t help at all imo..
the topic is headphones..and they should be used very carefully if your ear is worth something for you..
its just about there is no chance for the sound to reflect on other things like walls or anything..it goes streight into your ear..and when you use them alot on kinda high levels ...dont cry, its obvious...
another point the fletcher munson curve dont has a point actualy is, that most hifi headphones/sytems got a mentionable boost in high and low FQ...whatever..
kinda reverse Nike Style like :
Just don`t Do it ! 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 03:48
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I play way too loud in my headphones... its not healthy.....
I have hifi headphones Sony Mdr CD780(very loud ones) , but if i listen in my Akg 240 its much better...
And Zork yeah headphones are great for such things as you wrote! I came to conclusion that its better i play low at night instead of listen in headphones... my neighbours can complain if it is anything, but i cant get my hearing back if i fuck it up... 
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eyist
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 03:52
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fletcher-munson simply shows that 1khz is more sensitive than its neighbors; for the purpose of the 1khz hearing loss discussion. thus; occasionally one might want to attenuate.
dont do the 1khz experimentation in headphones. hope nobody is misunderstanding the purpose of the thread. lol |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 03:58
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On 2009-09-24 03:52, eyist wrote:
fletcher-munson simply shows that 1khz is more sensitive than its neighbors; for the purpose of the 1khz hearing loss discussion. thus; occasionally one might want to attenuate.
dont do the 1khz experimentation in headphones. hope nobody is misunderstanding the purpose of the thread. lol
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Nah i dont think so.. i think Zork missunderstand a lot, lol... just kidding
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Suloo
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 05:06
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i know i told a long story and all that, but it was just to tune your senses on how you behave with volumes etc..
according to the quote...yea..1Khz might be the most sensible Fq or whatever, but when you got a concert going or whatever and for example lets say there are way too much high frequencys mixes....(maybe) then your high end ears getting fucked first before it almost reach 1Khz wich is quite low actualy for damaging frequencys...
it all depends on the duration how long you listen to certain loud Fq at all...
the ear is a quite powerfull tool wich even can stand a lot..but just not all..
btw: lol..i heard about a new medicine technic to re-grow the little hairs in ear channel to make it sensible again and stuff....? does anybody know about it?i would like to have some for my left ear!!..
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orgytime
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 13:01
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i got an excident, a goalpole (soccer) droped on my left ear.
the following hearing tests were good, and i didnt noticed any difference.
later, when i started production i noticed, that i dont hear the HH well, with my left ear.
so i took a sawtooth and experimented with the high freqs... well... after 12-15khz my left ear hears less than my right one 
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vegetal
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 14:27
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hmm 1 Khz, id rather say its a bigger spectrum from 1-3khz because thats were we have most information when it comes to human speech. Its the same freq area as the bandwidth in telephone.
So if you want to attenutate then do it from 1-3 Khz 
I say the first thing to go when it comes to hearing loss its the treble because of how the cochlea is constructed, those hearing cells in the basilar membrane will always be exposed to all sound no matter of frequency since they are placed in the beginning of the cochlea. therefore they will be worn out first. see link.
http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/98/14298-004-99934987.gif
This is one of my theories that i think is one of MANY reasons of tinnitus for some people, expose yourself to loud noise and eventually the sense hairs on top of the cell breaks and will constantly create action potential to the brain. Tinnitus is from what i´ve heard from people i know who has it, they say its usually high freq, so perhaps the cells in the beginning of the cochlea broke?
Edit: if the post doesn´t make sense its because im at work and have a ton of things to deal with id re-write it tonight if so Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 14:29
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vegetal
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 14:36
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On 2009-09-24 03:14, Dancing_Zombies wrote:
Anything above aroung 98db is bad for your ears
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Let me clear that one out for you All sound is bad for you, depends on the amount of TIME your exposed to it, 85dBA is ok for 8 hours thats why governments have those laws at places like offices and in the industry where hearing cups are not obligated. You may listen to 98dB but only for a limited time before you are exposed to a high risk of getting hearing loss and other artifacts like tinnitus. for every +3dB you increase the volume the time exposed will be half, so from 85 to 98 thats like a expose time of less than 30 min before you have a high risk of damage
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 15:38
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yep, it's all about length of exposure.
one of the best things you can do is to take regular breaks... give your ears (and your judgement) a chance to recover.
worth mentioning that humans adapt to absolute sound levels very quickly... if you turn something down, it loses energy and impact; but only for a while. it works in reverse as well, hence 'volume creep'.
and in fact turning things down will often help your mix as well. if you run your tune as quiet as you can and listen you should be able to still hear all the elements. it's a useful test, kind of the inverse of 'louder = better'.
one thing i'm not sure about though - i was under the impression that a good digital limiter will catch pretty much everything, including fast transients... are you talking about digital artifacts which come from e.g. DAW errors?
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Ascension
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 16:11
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eyist
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 21:18
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good tips!
aeon; digital limiters can be weird, especially when there's a lot going on. might have something to do with process threads etc.
if your session is running smoothly it wont be an issue. but if you're in the area where your session occasionally lags, then that limiter is occasionally f*king up.
better to fix the areas that need hard limiting at the source in audio. say with pro tools. and when pro tools starts lagging it just stops and tells you to increase h/w buffer or disable tracks.
from my experience logic will try its best to keep the audio going, and might occasionally take a 'short cut' in real time audio processing. other DAWs might be similar.
DAW errors are also included.. certain sequencers will give you the error and just keep going like nothing happened. lol. others will stop (i think).
dont know the specifics... but i can hear it. might even be an OS / processor thing.
good to bounce after applying effects, then make the vst track inactive until when its necessary.
theres no point toasting the bread and grilling the chicken, if the bread is already toasted and the chicken is already grilled.
better to bounce the toast and the chicken, so you can apply seasoning without interfering with the toasting or the grilling.
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Whr
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 21:37
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hihi, i once heard this magical story about when your ears ring....
It said that the certain frequency of the 'ring' you hear, is the sound of that freq. screaming out it's last and final breaths.
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Spycht
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Posted : Sep 24, 2009 23:54
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Agreed on the headphone issue, but...
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On 2009-09-24 03:39, eyist wrote:
and some of these guys won't even touch logic because its a 'square wave generator-toy thats dangerous as f*ck'.
...eq that goes +/- 24db.... you can open a million plug ins at once... and when you have tons of tracks, logic eqs barely alters the sound... pro tools is way safer... but also has its own blend of nastiness.
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I don't understand how Logic is any more of a square wave generator-toy than any other sequencer. Logic and Protools have the same ability to put out both a well produced master piece and a distorted piece of garbage.
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Upavas
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Posted : Sep 25, 2009 09:32
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I say the first thing to go when it comes to hearing loss its the treble because of how the cochlea is constructed, those hearing cells in the basilar membrane will always be exposed to all sound no matter of frequency since they are placed in the beginning of the cochlea. therefore they will be worn out first. see link.
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Correctomundo Vegetal!, that is of course unless your ear gets smashed by e.g. a 2khz wav that is simply too loud to handle. Generally speaking you are correct, sometimes though there are people who have spikes, one of my teachers had a spike and could not hear 5khz very well.
Mind you, 5 khz (the frequency of the cry of a baby) is the most audible frequency to us humans...
As far as db is concerned, 85 is standard when going into a movie theater, when you are exposed to 85 db or more at your workplace just like Vegetal says, at least here in Canada your employer has to provide you with earplugs or you can sue the sheit out of him, I believe it is the same in most first world countries...
@ Elad, I can hear 18khz sine, faintly but I can hear it, and that after years of djing, parties etc. you might call me lucky. Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
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