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Headphones make the bass sound semitone higher
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Jan 15, 2014 11:00:22
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Hi all, new guy here 
I got a weird question: I have the Adam A7s. now, when I work on a track I usually use Trilogy and Quadrafuzz.
Whenever I put on the headphones instead of the monitor, the bassline sounds almost a semitone higher than with the monitors!
is it frequencies that the QuadraFuzz adds?
Sometimes I can control it a bit by cutting out the corresponding frequency of the "added" semitone.
Did anyone notice that? |
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Medea
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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 01:52
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It's definetely not quadrafuzz
It may be your
1) monitors
2) headphones
3) room acoustics (most probably i think)
4) ears
Btw, does it happen on all bass presets? What happens if you pitch your bass octave up?
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Padmapani
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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 05:36
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some bass patches do this to me. it maybe has something to do with certain frequencies being more dominant in some listening environments. tweaking the patch a bit (usually the envelope settings iirc) solves the problem. |
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TranceAphobic
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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 13:37
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I have found that a few times before. Could be that the sub frequencies is louder than the main bass tone, with headphones you cut out most of the sub and hear the actual tone. Tweaking can also be responsible, every action has a reaction. Use another patch or disable Quadrafuzz and see if its still off.
You can also use G-Tune:
http://www.gvst.co.uk/gtune.htm
It's a free vst tuner, that will show you on which note the frequencies are playing and also how off you are from that note. Then using fine tune, you tune that sucker in...
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knocz
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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 17:06
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Well, I'd say it's an illusion created by the listening medium -> you monitors must enhance different frequencies then your headphones, and for that particular bass it must be enhancing different harmonics (and, due to the frequency of bass notes being so short together, it can appear detuned a whole whack of cents).
Could you post the tune here so we can also experience this craziness and help you better?
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 18:03
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Medea, I guess its indeed somewhere between the room acoustics (which is terrible) and the headphones "tricking" me.
Removing Quadrafuzz fixes it, which is why I guess its quadra adding some higher frequencies. but the I miss out on the crunchy awesome quadrafuzz sound :S
TranceAphobic - WIll give it a try, exactly what I needed - THanks!
Knocz, Im actually installing a new PC now so my cubase is down for the moment but I'll upload it the moment its up again.
thanks for the replies! |
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vipal
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Posted : Jan 17, 2014 18:49
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Jan 19, 2014 19:46
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On 2014-01-17 18:03, Cerebral Eclipse wrote:
Medea, I guess its indeed somewhere between the room acoustics (which is terrible) and the headphones "tricking" me.
Removing Quadrafuzz fixes it, which is why I guess its quadra adding some higher frequencies. but the I miss out on the crunchy awesome quadrafuzz sound :S
TranceAphobic - WIll give it a try, exactly what I needed - THanks!
Knocz, Im actually installing a new PC now so my cubase is down for the moment but I'll upload it the moment its up again.
thanks for the replies!
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yes, that's called harmonic distortion. if you put a single sine wave through quadrafuzz, even without pumping the bands, you can see that it adds a lot of coloration in the form of added harmonics to your previous sine wave, so there's that. plus, any kind of such saturation always affects the relative volume of this harmonics in the frequencies where the presence of the bass is more felt, like a ringing tone or something, more visible in more drastic forms of saturation, like bitcrushing, that introduces aliasing on the higher frequencies, but anyway, you can get different forms of this with different saturation types.
to cut it short, try do add a multi-band compressor to your chain, instead of the regular EQ, and try to tame down those frequencies made more evident with the headphones. or really zone in if you have some harmonics really banging high on some notes, like you'd use a DeEsser. but with something like C4 (waves), you can quickly make those round subby frequencies more evident then the mids and 2k zone, or something like Gliss EQ (dynamic EQ to zone in on those frequencies that need some care)... |
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Cerebral Eclipse
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Posted : Jan 19, 2014 23:59
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Awesome, thanks for all of the advice.
Those rogue frequencies will have to be tamed I guess.
What wont I do for quadrafuzz |
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Hypereal
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Posted : Jan 20, 2014 16:28
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Watch for second and odd third harmonic as quadrafuzz can boost that area and introduce ringing in bassline which leads to clouded,boomy,too full and warm sound |
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PsiloCybian
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Posted : Jan 20, 2014 18:19
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sometimes when you hipass the low end with a hard filter (24 or 48) and when you cut to close to the fundament that may cause it to sound weird...
if this is the case try pulling back on the hipass or you can try using a linear phase eq ...
but in any case it sounds like a case of overdoing the eq 
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Agorit
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Posted : Jan 20, 2014 23:30
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if u use a lot of saturation\overdrive\amp something like that it can bring back some harmonics that can put ur sound out of tune. |
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