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Have we lost our sense of purpose?
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 01:21
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On 2005-02-02 23:18, Dj Landmine wrote:
i dont want to change the world i just want to make Rs.$$$$YYYY + Rdx
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what?
  "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Pointy
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 02:18
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If everyone of us would be "nice" to somebody else (other than your loved onces) just once a day, the world would already look much different and be a better place.
Everyone has the power to change the world by his/her actions. A smile, a helping hand, opening the door for somebody.... all these little things make life much more pleasant.
A friend of mine is part of a group of people that set up a web-page with positive links and information about alternative energies/lifestyle, book recommendations and thoughts, that can make this world a more friendly, healthy and pleasant place to live. It's still in it's developing phase, but already worth a visit.
If you are interested check www.niceism.com
The power lies within ourselves.
Peace&Love 
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(¸.·´ (¸.·` * Magic is believing in yourself, if you can do that, you can make anything happen. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe..·´¨` .¸¸.·´¨`» |
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Balde
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 04:42
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On 2005-02-02 06:44, Psycosmo wrote:
Before I get started, I want to say emphasize what I am about to write is my own personal perspective, and probably has a lot to do with where I live (New York) and where I am in my life right now, and thus my perspective is likely to be distorted, or perhaps only true for NY. I am going to do my best to be objective and nonjudgmental in my statements, but I might not be able to live up to that as much as I’d like in order to make my point. So people, I ask you just take what I say as food for thought and let me know what you think of my perspective.
I feel like many of the problems I have heard about in the trance community lately have to do with a lack of a sense of purpose.
My feeling is that we have a lot of love and creativity and positive energy in our community, but I fear that if it isn’t put to use in a more focused way, what we have here will rot away, it’s original sweetness making the result that much more bitter.
I feel like we haven’t figured out how to put our energy to proper use, and thus that energy goes to waste, or sometimes even hurts us when it comes out as personal tensions.
These parties can be and sometimes are more than just parties. In my vision they could be the heart of a broader cultural and political movement that could transform the world. If we are just content to go to our parties and not use the feeling of unity we have at the parties to inspire us to change the world outside parties, then the spirit of the party is dead on arrival.
What do you all think?
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I know what you mean... feel the same here in Brazil sometimes.  |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 21:12
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THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!
If large numbers of us agreed to coordinate our efforts to be good in simple little ways, the world would be so much better! |
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 21:22
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Best is to be always nice to other people, but it is really hard sometimes i know
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 21:23
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On 2005-02-02 23:18, Dj Landmine wrote:
i dont want to change the world i just want to make Rs.$$$$YYYY + Rdx
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Yes i think we all want some bugs. It don't makes us happy but it is easier to life with it.
Peace
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 21:50
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On 2005-02-03 21:22, EYB wrote:
Best is to be always nice to other people, but it is really hard sometimes i know
Peace
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Exactly. Thats why I ask for peoples help instead of being content to work on it as my own individual journey. I really think its a team effort! |
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rich
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Posted : Feb 3, 2005 22:09
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On 2005-02-02 21:58, _Vanessa_ wrote:
... And in my point of view (again) at this moment is: the circle is always the same. What change is the people who come and go in different period od time.....
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I agree. the music and the parties came to me in a time in my life when I needed it and benefited greatly from it. These days I feel I've gotten all I can out of it and now I'm continuing on with my inner travels without it. It could be the music and partys is lacking something these days, or it could be I've just used it up and don't feel the same as I used to, or it could be both.
I had a pretty bad trip at my last party, where I was looking around seeing people dancing the same way as I'd seen 5 years ago. 5 years ago and people are still doing the same thing but I feel I'm not there anymore. It was a bad experience cos I felt like I have done this already, and I'm ready for something new for myself. (it didn't help that sun project was playing their same old songs at that moment, looking old and balding  ).
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jabba
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Posted : Feb 4, 2005 08:41
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Be yourself as an alive soul with warmth in the heart ...... be nice , be angry but be good
dont care for what billion people are doing , you do your best and this will not change anything TODAY
BUT lets hope it does in the future .............
let happiness be disease and infectious
let laughter be the best medicine
party when you feel
stay aloof when you feel you need to
the only porpose is to live without fear
or hate ................................
But zats only me if you disagree 
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nataraj
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Posted : Feb 5, 2005 14:17
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Finally where some serious issue is being brought up to life. First of all I want to express my gratitude to the creator of this disussion.
It is interesting to see what all the people are writing down, they are their own opinions, and most importantly we have to keep that in mind.
It happens that I like a phrase very much which I read in order to keep practising the good effort of my path. "Beautiful words are not always true, as true words are not always beautiful". I like your point of view, it seems logical, hopeful and promising. But unfortunately, as a scorpion, I see that there is a lack of certainty. It seems to me that you are proclaiming something that you directly fault of practising. Its about being sincere, to not have fear of telling what you feel and think, and generally in trying to fight with the fears that haunt the soul. If you want to proceed in getting higher insights during life, it is your choise and therefore it is unmorally in critisizing others just because you feel that they are not tuned into your frequency of truth. There are alot of worlds out there, dont try to master them all, you will someday be ruined in figuring that out.
Or, perhaps its that everything is one. Perhaps the reason you tell these things and display your dismay over this fact that you are loosing the availability of a community is that yourself have such dark shadows in you and unaware of it project them to people and situations. You are selfishly unsure of the way you have chosen, and in order to feel satisfied you need to hear advice; echoed equalities of others and contempt of the rest, in order to be able to define yourself from them. There are alot of unnecessary things that can be told in the realm of complaints, the bold, courageous and wise thing is to follow what you believe in and be in harmony with others, no matter what, absolutely nothing. To have enough of unconditional love and understanding towards others so that you detach from your ego from times to times.
"the circle is always the same. What change is the people who come and go in different period od time....."
A good quotation. It seems to me that there is a magical energy in some parties. It can beautiful to have the chance in being in one and feeling great energy, but the first things is to be able to adjust yourself, because this cannot be obtained easily as it could for example for the people resonating together in the early days of goa. That is a era that will never be resurrected. Now, their history and stories can help us to inspire ourselves and go on with that shadow as a motivation and energy source.
Patience, and you will meet people you want to meet. But be careful in judging others just because they are not following the path you are happening to proclaim. Moreover, I believe that the path you are taking has a principle and it is humility and understanding... "but not forget that the first to do is always to change ourselves and not let the ego take over"
I want also to take this opportunity in saying that I recognize what you are doing regarding studies. I am myself studying science and reading in my free time about spirituality... its easy to utilize intellectual gained knowledge in the way of gaining attention. The difficult thing is to try to practise parts of what you are reading, as it seems that you know them so well and appreciate them. It is much possible to initiate a shamanistic transformation personally, because I believe that you onve have begun with highliting deep questions you will have more receptibility and humility of finding answers in different persons, and then perhaps not be disturbed by facts that fault in satisfying you everytime as having a community with a clear purpose printed on T-shirts. It is not so easy, take a hard path and be wise. It is highly a personal path my friend.
We are not constant, the reaction of us is changing depending on the outer stimuli, we have alot of different feelings that can take over resulting in unreasonable statements. We grow up, things are changing, we can let go in every sense, there are alot of different states of mind, but we are not constant in universe, only energy is... "It could be the music and partys is lacking something these days, or it could be I've just used it up and don't feel the same as I used to, or it could be both."
Im trying hard in being a better person for myself and others.
love & light to everyone
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 07:00
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I just wanna say that Natraj pinned my situation more perfectly than he could ever know. In my life I am in a crisis of uncertanty right now, and that IS what lead me to write about the scene losing its sense of purpose. This problem is largely the result of me trying to master too many worlds, another one of my faults which Natraj so astutely pointed out. With all the time I spend philosphizing and studying the human mind and the human condition in hopes of becoming truly powerful through wisdom, all I have really done is lose control more than ever before. The more I analyze my thought processes, the more control of them seems to evade me. The more I learn about using science to manipulate the forces of nature, the more I revel in the thought of playing in Gods Domain. I want to power of God in my hands, and you are right to warn me that that road can only lead to my own destruction.
You are right that I am unsure of the way that I have chosen... I feel that I have learned a lot from the path I have taken, but in the end I dont know that it has made me a better person, or improved the quality of my life. It has just given me a lot of things to worry about that I am powerless to change anyway.
As to using knowledge or spirituality to gain attention... Yeah there is a side of me that does that, the side of me that wants girls to be impressed my my intellectual powers (cant say it's helped me a whole lot in that respect tho). But there is another side of me that sees ideas as something way bigger than me, and sees me as just a conduit for those ideas, no matter if I am destroyed in the process of spreading them to the masses.
So there we go, all of isratrance now knows about psycosmo's personal crisises. If that's more info than anybody wanted to know about me, my apologies, but since Natraj saw thru me so clearly I figured I might as well go the rest of the way and tell the community where I am in life so they can understand the vantage point I write from.
Peace out and much love to all...
I hope you all will forgive me if I come off as preachy and pompous at times... Im trying to be postive in the best way I know how. |
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furthur
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 07:07
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NO need to apologize at all. We have all been there and will possibly be there again.
However, the only way that you will really be in control is by fully letting go and just letting the current bring you along. Only once you have given yourself fully up to the current, will you learn its intricacies and how to navigate its waters. This approach works in all areas, personal life as well as music creation and appreciation (which is where this topic started).
And as far as I can tell, you have definitely not lost your sense of purpose, psycosmo, as you are at least asking yourself that question. Because, honestly, you will never get a conclusive answer; you must never stop questioning though. The answer lies in the questioning.
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nataraj
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 14:22
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On 2005-02-07 07:07, furthur wrote:
NO need to apologize at all. We have all been there and will possibly be there again.
However, the only way that you will really be in control is by fully letting go and just letting the current bring you along. Only once you have given yourself fully up to the current, will you learn its intricacies and how to navigate its waters. This approach works in all areas, personal life as well as music creation and appreciation (which is where this topic started).
And as far as I can tell, you have definitely not lost your sense of purpose, psycosmo, as you are at least asking yourself that question. Because, honestly, you will never get a conclusive answer; you must never stop questioning though. The answer lies in the questioning.
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Beautiful and true.
In order to find spiritual enlightment it is important to let go of the control we have regarding everything. Not to let yourself into competition with others, not worrying about everyday problems, try to keep goals that are not so far.
"Listen to the message of a person and not her/his personality"
However balance must be achieved, too much of anything is not good.
"Pan metrion ariston"
(Ancient greek for: everything in a adequate amount)
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 17:05
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interesting way this is going here
u know.... I was brought up with evangelists... (don't get scared) I may be actually one perhaps...
I used to ask myself everything... why this, why that... and the answer ofcorse come for those who ask, and it was: 'Philosophy'.
It is quiet normal to hear from evangelists that scientists are crazy, they hold the bible with their hands and they say: 'This is my army!'. It is quiet interesting how they find all answers they ask for in the bibble... I was different. I wanted to learn more, increase different ways of philosiphing the only one context... then only five years later, going through so much culture and answers for the infinite questions, and new minds I never thought of, and then more question,,, thankfully I found a lot of these mistic realities in trance.
One beautiful day, I woke up empty, asking the air, where are those freaks full of philosophy, where are my interest for reading a yoga book stead of a novel, and my drenaline in analising people's behave dealing with their true self... Nothing was new anymore, and do you know which answer I got from that (ok, this is suppose to be a humour)
Answer: 'Why everything exist...'
and if the fallowing answer is because God created it.
then I would come up with
'Is God the last thing to think of in existence, if it is why does him exist, when I asked everything in the first question I meant everything.'
Well this works really well for me and the answers for that is something the bibble explain:
'When the man will want to know more then God knows, that time God will change the man.'
I believe question is a good thing, but power is nothing to do with another thing on earth without God.
well I hope this was a message
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!Ce M@n
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Posted : Feb 7, 2005 17:09
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see the positive factor.. aint the negative..!!
ther is a opposite meanin for every meaning.. so if its not this side its always the other side..!
god is everything.. go to find him ..this is the adventure of life.. find more existence! 0x00000PSy |
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