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dma
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 05:47
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g guy's,thanx for youre help...youre advice is good!!
i mean like new are scientist sais,u can now all this stuff but never use it or practise enough,and it is knowledge waisted,
last night a done a little experiment and made a 4 bar loop and slowly built up the foundations for a track a/b'ing with another track that has nice drums,
spent lots of time just seing how different hats and snares acompiny each other and how enveloping particular sound can let other dominate,in this track the snare/clap is very prominent,giving that nice funk feel...infected tend to use this a lot using a big rock snare with heaps of punch and building there rythem around that!!,where as artist like vibetribe,proto and more full on sounding stuff the drums are a lot more set back in the mix and tiny with a huge push pull kinda slaping feel...
i think that im finding eq has a huge role in filling the right band of frequincy to suite youre prominent feature,depending on the groove youre after,just slite cuts or gain to push the sound into its place and free up space for another sound...
the attack and decay are goos to soften or tighten aswell...
well i will post my new loop up also to maybe se if i am evolving as a percusion master.te he he,
it would be cool if some others did the same to and gave a detailed description of their building blocks...it seems to help so much more when we can actually hear what we are all talking about istead of just guesing what we think is happening...
so thanx guys for the suppport and i hope to hear some loop's |
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dma
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 07:00
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thockin
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 11:07
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I love it! It's got a very Infected groove. You're using a splashier hat sound, but the tempo is lower, so it really works. Love it.
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thockin
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 11:13
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While we're on the topic of percussion: tambourines. A loop of a tambourine hit sounds like a loop of a sample.
How can I get really great jingly, groovy tambourine loops that don't sound like a stuck CD player? |
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 14:49
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thockin
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 18:06
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I always like the snippets you post, Undertow. |
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texmex
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Posted : Apr 27, 2005 23:01
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On 2005-04-27 14:49, UnderTow wrote:
Here is a 32 bar loop of the current track I am working on:
http://home.casema.nl/ajohnston/
The style is funky summer full-on. I hope you like it. 
UnderTow
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That was a nice track! I noticed that there wasn't much effects used (reverb at least). Is that intended? Do you add the "space" in the final mixing?
I really consider myself as an amateur what comes to the mixing (and mastering, too). I always end up doing the final sound from the step one, which is plain wrong. I know it. Maybe staying away from the compressors and reverbs in the early stages and focus to the actual sounds more could do some good for me. I think initial equalizing is ok though, just to keep the sounds from interfering with each other too much. The ear (mine at least) becomes tired if the sound is all muddy. Good points you got there guys. Appreciated.
Just out of curiosity, UnderTow, how you've done the filling lead that comes at 00:13 for the first time? It's a very common sound, but I really like it. Is there distortion in it? And what kind if so?
I really love this forum, I've been reading a lot of the tutorials and tips and tricks here, and I really like the no-nonsense attitude people have. Keep it up
Thanks!
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UnderTow
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 00:16
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Thanks Tim.
texmex: Actually I use an outboard hardware reverb for the large spaces and I havn't recorded it yet. I'll do that when the track is finished. There is a little room reverb on some of the precussion though.
As for that filling lead, if you mean the guitarish kind of sound, it is an Albino preset that I have tweaked. I can't remember exactly how it is setup. I'll check tommorow.
Thanks for the positive feedback.
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dma
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 01:47
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thanx thockin....i dont know exactly what u mean when u say
(A loop of a tambourine hit sounds like a loop of a sample.)
but it is quite easy to get nice tambo,shake sounds!!there are always plent givaways on magazines and thing's like that,try computer music,or future music magazine
i find that tambo's sound great as accent's for eg.
x..xx...x..xx...,x being the tambo . being every other beat,
personaly i try to stay away from loops and just have single hit library's,dont get me wrong i love the sound of a low passed loop sitting on another beat,but i just aint succesfull at it yet,using hits gives u all the freedom u want and udont have to worry bout all the issues that come with loop's
if u have a place to host i can give u some dood!!
undertow....nice style,
i must follow up on texmex and query on the whole space issue!! youre mix does sound a little squeezed,and this is the whole reason i started the post,to try and discect and understand the difference between the big clean drum sound,eg... like astrix,infected,compared with the more squeesed sound u find on average full on track..i will be interested to hear youre finall mix to c what the next step of production can accomplish,overall u have a good feel man!!
this is turning out to be quite an interesting thread!!it's good to have this topic being discused,as i think a good part of a tracks dancelyness lies in this department,lets keep the feedback a coming!!
cheers
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thockin
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 02:58
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I mean that a pattern of fast tambo hits always sounds like a computer playing a sample over and over again. It doesn't have enough variation, even with velocity and filter changes. I need like 4 or 8 different samples of the same tambourine, so that I get some natural variations.
Anyone have a set of multiple samples of a tambourine? And a *good* tambourine? |
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dma
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 09:05
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i get ya now!!i have some multi tambo samples if u want them,just let me no where to up them!! |
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psylevation
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 10:13
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I found that making some reversed samples of the drums you are using helps you to pull the sound into it'self. If you place the reveresed sample before the forward one and toy with pitch, pitch envelope, and/or volume envelopes.
Also I just try and think of my drums like people actually playing them. They don't always hit at the same velocity or have exactly the same sound to them, so spend some time and put some care into your percussion.
Another thing to think about is the way they play off other sounds in the song. Alot of times one sound is leading another. One rhythm goes for a moment as if asking a question and then some drums almost "answer" back as if talking to to the rhythm. It's hard to explain but if you can picture these sounds as speaking/singing to each other it makes the whole thing just flow together so much easier, and you will just know what to add next.
Hope this helps |
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thockin
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Posted : Apr 28, 2005 10:22
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Freeflow
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Posted : Apr 29, 2005 03:23
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this is something i try to think about when i program rhythmlines or leads or basses..
for example if a bass contains one octave shifts i try to lower the note velocity of those notes thats being played one octave above, this makes it smoother....
dma, about being clean and big, i think that depends on tonality and frequency space
think about when you try different kicks to a baseline, you will hear that every kick will respond differently to the bass, this goes for hihats and every other percussion sound.. its like a unity.
but of course there always more to it.. hehe
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