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Hats, Snare EQing
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PsYmOrPh
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 02:24
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well, my problem is that hh open, hh closed and snare do not sounds mixed, i have tried to equalizate them many times, but it just sounds good if volume is lower, if i stand up de volume level the percussion will sound's deMIXED .. :S ... well maybe is a stupid question..lololo |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 03:01
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yeah i know what you mean, its difficult to get the percs to sit right in a mix... often you think they are either too high or too low.. hehe
try aural exciters or a little boost in the very high bands of the EQ, sometimes if you lose some mid on them they can melt in better....
experimentation is they key to most things...
Sometimes volume automation can do the trick, if the hats sits too loud in some sections of the mix you can lower them in that section, and when everything is playing you make them blend in with the rest.
volumes dosent have to be fixed through the whole track... make them follow the track 
its like when you change bass from KbbbKbbbK to
K b K b K b K you can feel that the kick sounds louder.... lowering the kicks volume will make it blend more...
also for the percs you can put them on a groupchannel when you got the mix of to percs together to sound good, its easier to balance them with the rest, not so many faders to fuck around with.
so a good recommendation, group the percs when you got a good mix of them.
maybe someone has a different idea...
and try to search, i know there is tons of info on these kind of things... |
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Axolotyl
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 03:34
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For hats try using noisegates, stereo expanders and de-essers in different combinations. Theres no perfect rule, but these sorts of effects can be good for effecting the high ends of the spectrum and giving them transparency. Also a 9Khz cut in the hats will remove the silibance effect from the highs and make them sit nicer. I use this term incorrectly, as it refers to vocals primarily, but hihats seems to suffer from the same 's' and 'sh' problems of vocals.
There really isnt any trick to snares. Like New Era suggested, compressing the snare with the kick group track can help make it sit a bit better. A bit of tube distortion, or gated reverb can help them sit better too. Personlly I like snares to be barely noticable, too loud a snare can slow down a track I think. Best to play around until you get a pattern that locks in nicely and suits the style your after.
With both though, it is down mainly to sample choice. If you have to fuck around with it too much, you should choose a better sample. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 03:40
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Axolotyl - nice tips, noisegates is good for many things...
also you are correct its probably better to cut the highs then to boost like i said, cause in the end the mix will be maximixed and the hats can stand out too much if already boosted in the highs... |
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Axolotyl
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 04:01
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No, your right! Actualy boositng the EQ rather than cutting the surrounding bands can actually give some nice distortion and provide colour in the highs as the noise floor is increased. I was mainly referring to the 8-9 Khz range which can be harsh on hats and should be cut. Boosting around these freq a little can bring out the right tones in hats I find.
But yes, maximising the mix is another step altogether and needs to be taken into consideration. Make the mix as loud as possible and try to avoid lots of limiting which can screw up the dynamics and levels. Also master EQing and multiband compression can tame those unwanted boosts to the hats in the final stages.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 04:13
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Okej now i see..
very nice pointers... |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 11:38
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Scrolling through your sample directory and finding a better sample also often works wonders. It saves time and CPU cycles if you don't need to fix it in the mix.
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Kitnam
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 11:52
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cutting like a bastard! hihats and snares are usually overfrequenced.
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0v3rd0s3d
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 12:54
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what do u mean by overfrequenced ?
boost the high frequencies and cut the lows ? :x
this is also a problem to me .. the hats are fine but snares i dont know ... they seem to lost trough the mix, or dont have enough power ... 
if i raise the volume they are very high volume if i let them be normal we don't ear them ... maybe its just my samples packs ...
stay good
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cytopia
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 13:17
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My technique:
Find good HH and snare samples..
Have group channels with: Compression, Reverb(s), very small delay (tiny)
Snare Insert EQ hi pass 500Hz, then use send effects --> compression (for setting see other threads) just until you hear compressed sound blending in with uncompressed signal; adjust to taste
Send to reverb, I used to use short reverb for snare, but have been using longer ones, increase send level until get desired sound, can also mess with reverb settings and adjust to taste
Tiny Tiny delay with HH and snare often makes it sound more stereo... but you should harldy even perceive it as a delay, just a more depth in the sound.
If snare or HH still doesnt sound right, if using battery or kontakt, adjust envelope of the sample, so it doesnt play the tail, or change the pitch of the sample, can help...
hope that helps...
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Get-a-fix
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 13:50
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On 2006-02-09 12:54, 0v3rd0s3d wrote:
what do u mean by overfrequenced ?
boost the high frequencies and cut the lows ? :x
this is also a problem to me .. the hats are fine but snares i dont know ... they seem to lost trough the mix, or dont have enough power ...
if i raise the volume they are very high volume if i let them be normal we don't ear them ... maybe its just my samples packs ...
stay good
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sounds like you have frequency clashes in your mix..meaning the hats & snares are fighting for the same space as other instruments..try high passing the snares & hats like everyone suggested to get rid of unwanted frequencies..this often helps make them stand out more..
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john_c
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 18:21
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also with snares, LAYER LAYER LAYER.
u want snares that serve different purposes. I usually need a "snappy" short snare, a long and more-bassy snare, some type of clap maybe, etc with big reverb tail thats gated. I agree with Cytopia about very very slight delay to give your snares and hats more presence but it has to be so subtle that you don't really hear delay'ed parts, just more presence on the initial hits. |
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0v3rd0s3d
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 20:56
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yes i thought that, that snare and hh where fighting for the same space, but the problem is when i eq snare or hh it just seem to loose power :\
gotta try your tips
tkz
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 23:14
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man put your:
*closed hh*
around 2-3khz, with some hipass or other stuff (maybe distortion?);
*snare*
around 3-5khz (hipass, disto.);
*open hh*
around 6-8 khz with some effects...
like you see those samples will be on other frequencies, so there will be not fighting between
of course everything depends of each single sample sound etc... one dont like too much eq, second like to make biiig distortion on it... same with delays, reverbs and other shit
keep workin' bum bole
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Mike A
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Posted : Feb 9, 2006 23:39
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am i the only one who just uses eq and compression?
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