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Has NE1 in this forum got a musical degree?
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 23, 2005 13:09
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Im curious which parts of ur syllabus u found indispensible & can u offer some textbook reccomendations? |
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Colin OOOD
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ucc
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UnderTow
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Colin: I don't have a MUSICAL degree.  So as far as music is concerned, I'm just as blind as anyone else. Or was that deaf?
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 26, 2005 10:35
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theres sum really cool stuff in harmony. even the basic stuff like "diatonic reharmonisation" with false cadences is friggin amazing from a composing point of view I can blindly bang @ chord sequences & come up with stuff that sounds fair 2 good without trying. Am looking in2 that.
By the way whoever went through the raven\spiral guide should know that although its nice, it teaches by specific example & not by teaching intuitive rules. Amazing stuff if u pick up an offical theory course.
Have also heard that counterpoint was important. Any other suggestions from blind/deaf people?
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nick
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Posted : Sep 26, 2005 16:46
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I am finishing this year a degree in electroacoustic composition. (google electroacoustic music or "sound art") I have also studied instrumental composition, which harmony, counterpoint, orchestration, analysis, music history, and other stuff too. I studied violin for 8 years as a child, started doing electronic music as a teenager and studied composition & theory formally for 5 years as an adult. I earn a living making music for video games.
I find notions of harmony more or less useful in writing trance music, because trance music is usually harmonically static. It stays on one mode, one scale, the tonic chord of which is emphasised by the bass drone.
On the other hand, I find that my studies in counterpoint and fugue apply indirectly in working with ideas of polyphony and thematic development. I use "thematic development" broadly, development in computer music being beyond stricly pitch-based melodical development.
Most of trance music has very little to do with european classical music. The essence of western classical music is, in my opinion, about the development (and later downfall) of the tonal system. The tonal system is 'about' the relation between the tonic chord and dominant chord of a key. There is no harmonic discourse in trance music. Trance musicians might benefit from studying music, not for technical notions of harmony and counterpoint, but more from analysis of great works to develop notions of structure and continuity.
Unfortunately, trance music is dance music, and too often it goes nowhere beyond fulfilling the basic requirement (to make people dance). Too often, I find no relationship between bars 1-16 and 17-32.
Perhaps more relevant to trance creators than classical theory would be the theory of musique concrete by PIERRE SCHAEFFER. I would perhaps suggest starting out by checking out the works also of PIERRE HENRY, STOCKHAUSEN (OKTOPHONIE), MICHEL CHION, and some more recent technically 'polished' stuff like Adrian Moore or Louis Dufort.
Do you have any specific questions? |
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FUNKKIMUNKKI
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Posted : Sep 26, 2005 17:01
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no musical degree really but played some piano.. trumpet and accoustic guitar before i started wasting my youth 
now trying to catch up a bit again with all the theory etc and how to use math in music etc through self study.. lots of good articles on the net about music theory
two good ones for beginners to start with :
http://www.musictheory.net./index.html
http://www.teoria.com/
and i agree with nick his view..
too many people making electronic music focussing too much on the producer part and forget all about the composing.. in the end some tracks just sound like a giant random sample scrapbook.. plz let more people start caring about arrangement and coposition again instead of only trying to make some cool sounding fx n all!
 ill push u over the edge, and will be smiling when u cant take anymore, at that point ill push a little harder till u experience true psychdelica |
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Sep 26, 2005 17:03
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"There are no differences but differences of degree between different degrees of difference and no difference."
-William James
I also don't have a MUSICAL degree, but there are some books i can really recommend:
- Mastering Audio ( Bob Katz )
- Modern Recording Techniques ( David Huber )
- Mixing with your mind ( Michael Paul Stavrou )
- Dance Music Manual ( Rick Snoman)
- The Mixing Engineers Handbook ( Bobby Owsinski )
- Mixing and Mastering in Cubase SX ( Craig Anderton )
- Get Creative with Cubase SX ( Keith Gemmel )
- Behind the Glass ( Howard Massey )
Hope this list is of some use,
Daan
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orange
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Posted : Sep 26, 2005 17:25
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damage
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Posted : Sep 26, 2005 18:03
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On 2005-09-26 17:25, orange wrote:
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On 2005-09-24 01:36, Colin OOOD wrote:
Apart from people like Undertow and a few other who have been taught this stuff it's the blind leading the blind, I'm afraid...
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who needs eyes when hes got ears!
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damn right...without the eyes, the ears will become stronger...
however it will forsure boost your song writing skills if you learn at least the basics of music theory. you can do unbelievable things when you write leads with power chords. some chords will make the lead sound evil, other chords will make it sound demented ext. ... or you can use the combination of all of them in just 1 lead. this is where the fun begins  |
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 00:19
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Starting the second year of Sound Eng. studies this October
Everyone in the world is doing something without me |
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NikC
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 00:48
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don't have a degree as such (still too young)
But grade 7 bassoon, grade 7 theory, Jazz grade 4 and piano grade 6... as well as an entry to young composer of the year a while back in my music GCSE course have done the classical playing/composition bit for me
The rest is just educated fiddling
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ucc
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 01:31
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i find your posts of the most interesting, your links have been bookmarked... cool guys 
i had piano classes... of the best and i was told i was good on it... quit, i couldn't see me playing it, was in fact a bit disturbing the fact of being seated in front of 60 keys, and just play.. piano... i find piano beautifull, i really dig good pieces and even better if by a virtuoso and just follow his performance... not that often, i 'pick' my keys and play, or train... or deviate...
i have quit on my fourth year of an audio engineering course i was on, most beacuse i was unhappy, not because i wasn't learning or the teachs, we were told they were the bests(uau!), nothing to point there, but the stress of being taught, getting to know something by someone who was told to know it like that, the rules, and everything implemented... everything makes every sense and nice that everybody behaves very well and do everything according to what was planned... and everythings sounds, well.
this is my point of view, you can shout but its too a way of facing life
Willy Wanker if you read here... our shout the other day made me realise, that yes i'm no musician, and i don't believe i ever will... !
hope you're happy
though, still planning, not to sell none of my equip, to buy some more and continue playing and recording and making myself happy in studio... and discovering a few tracks here and there and looking foward to see aaaalllll of you releasing masterpieces :::D
i really hope someone do!
there's a lot i'll kept now, i'm on to play DOOM
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damage
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 02:31
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On 2005-09-27 00:48, NikC wrote:
don't have a degree as such (still too young)
But grade 7 bassoon, grade 7 theory, Jazz grade 4 and piano grade 6... as well as an entry to young composer of the year a while back in my music GCSE course have done the classical playing/composition bit for me
The rest is just educated fiddling
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nice...very nice |
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bukboy
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Posted : Sep 27, 2005 10:07
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Thanks dudes esspecially Nick. Will look at reccomends. Dont have any specific question just throwing out net - trawling 4 info.
Also boobytrip thanks - oddly enuf I already have most of ur reccomends.
Thanks Again guys.
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