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Has Anyone Ever Seen Psynina?

Helloki


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Posted : Jan 15, 2011 14:33
so psynina is available if someone wants to use that as djname? great! a friend of mine is called nina

ha ha ha          -the beast within-
Cryptid


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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 03:23
Peeps,

I am part of a crew in California that organizes underground parties, emphasizing the participation of non-male DJs and artists.

This might be a really deep concept for someone to wrap their head around, but the PSY scene is not always a haven of gender equality. As the Waking Life sample goes, "I am working to change all that and I hope you are too".

So put yourself in the position of a female DJ. You learned the ropes and banged out a few killah tracks. You've got beatmatching skills better than 99% of the world's trance DJs, yet most people still think of you as just a "hot chick", don't treat you like much of a person, kick you off the decks, make lurid comments on your appearance, devalue your intelligence, doubt you could even have the talent to produce, and make all sorts of assumptions about you based on your gender. Not exactly nurturing.

We in Triple Goddess have tried to cultivate a number of truly talented women in the scene who wanted to try their hand at DJing, but were frankly terrified of being objectified and terrorized by the lowest-common-denominator macho dudes in the culture who are probably too young or too insulated to even know what I mean when I say PLUR and are basically stoned frat boys.

If PSYNINA is who they represent themselves as, and I sincerely hope they are, much of the content of this thread underscores the need for SERIOUS, REAL, HATERADE-reduction when it comes to talking about gender. The evolution of global consciousness will have made a hyperdrive leap when female DJs are just normal and standard parts of the culture, not a huge "OH MY GOD I CAN'T BELIEVE IT" scenario.

Until then, if I were a lady DJ, I would be very very happy sitting at home with my computer thanks very much.

JAI MAA DEVI!!!
Beat Agency
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Posted : Jan 19, 2011 15:05
Are you for real Cryptid ?

99.9% of the commercial female artists or djs i have encountered in this scene sell themselves as sex-objects. So dont cry over the way they get treated. They have the choice to chose two routes.

1. See my tits and ass route.
2. I got talent and dont need to sell myself as a sex-bomb.

Sadly most chose no.1

It's way easier to get gigs being a woman no matter the talent or lack of it. Because men are naive donkeys thinking with their lower parts.

If a female artist want respect and acknowledgment for her pure talent she should just be herself and lose all the stereotypes she herself is part of building her image around. It's not only the men's fault here. Far from! It's 2011 and you girls have a (huge) saying too in how your image should be presented
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 20, 2011 01:24
umm...have I just completely missed out on all the misognystic practices in the psy scene??? Or are you just inventing things to be upset about.

some of my favorite DJs are female, and it has absolutely nothing to do with how cute they are (and they are...come on who doens't like a cute girl behind the decks? hehe). Sure there are less female DJs than male DJs, but I don't think that has anything to do with the culture of the scene or the lewd and unsavory attitudes of its participants.

I have no real data besides personal observation here, but in my personal experience more guys are more into the techy details/sitting in the studio for hours/obsessing over the latest gadget than girls - and therefor there are less female DJs. Could it be that there are less female DJs because there are less females who are interested in DJing? oh my...that incredibly simple logic is giving me a headache...

IMO 'emphasizing' non-male (can't just say female? or are you going for the LGBT thing too?) is silly. I refuse to believe that there are tons of female DJs out there who have skills and would be so ready to rock out *if it weren't for all the guys out there oggling them and stifling their creative output* as you seem to assume.

I mean, come on? Even *IF* there were a couple people out there that were awe-struck at the concept of a female DJ and went so far as to verbally objectify them as sex objects...is that any more or less worse than what happens in our daily lives all over the place? Grow some thicker skin and focus on music, not gender.
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Cryptid


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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 00:48
Beat Agency and willsanquil, your comments are 100% perfect examples of the sort of problem I am talking about. Thank you.

For the record, as a male, I am not particularly offended, crying, thin-skinned etc. but maybe a bit disappointed because I see the PSY community as a potential catalyst for spiritual transformation and social equality, not a rehashing of the same "She was asking for it" and "men are just naive donkeys" mentality that happens in most of world religion and culture.

My focus is precisely on music, and I was hoping to book PsyNina which is why I cruised into Isra via Google in the first place, hoping she would show up in person. I am not exactly a regular. If it is a hoax, that is too damn bad, but I did feel compelled to add my voice to the discussion because this thread really is about nothing but gender and we all need to work on our perspectives with that. It would be odd for me to join this thread and say nothing about gender at all.

San Francisco does have different standards for equality, gender, and yes LGBTQ inclusion than does most of the world. I should know better than to try to impose those values on someone not ready for them, or who finds those values distasteful. My bad.

I wonder if we are really part of the same music scenes at all? My assumption was that we were, at least in a loose way, though I now doubt this a bit. Keep refusing; I will believe enough for both of us.

Peace out.
Distorted

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Posted : Jan 25, 2011 03:40
Quote:

On 2011-01-25 00:48, Cryptid wrote:
Beat Agency and willsanquil, your comments are 100% perfect examples of the sort of problem I am talking about. Thank you.

For the record, as a male, I am not particularly offended, crying, thin-skinned etc. but maybe a bit disappointed because I see the PSY community as a potential catalyst for spiritual transformation and social equality, not a rehashing of the same "She was asking for it" and "men are just naive donkeys" mentality that happens in most of world religion and culture.

My focus is precisely on music, and I was hoping to book PsyNina which is why I cruised into Isra via Google in the first place, hoping she would show up in person. I am not exactly a regular. If it is a hoax, that is too damn bad, but I did feel compelled to add my voice to the discussion because this thread really is about nothing but gender and we all need to work on our perspectives with that. It would be odd for me to join this thread and say nothing about gender at all.

San Francisco does have different standards for equality, gender, and yes LGBTQ inclusion than does most of the world. I should know better than to try to impose those values on someone not ready for them, or who finds those values distasteful. My bad.

I wonder if we are really part of the same music scenes at all? My assumption was that we were, at least in a loose way, though I now doubt this a bit. Keep refusing; I will believe enough for both of us.

Peace out.



Sounds like Tina @ Moki. Is that u Tina???? Plz try to understand what people are saying here in 78 pages before chopping off everybody's cock. And please feel free to book Thomas @ Psynina for ur gig, nobody is stopping u.
Basilisk
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Posted : Jan 26, 2011 16:55
Quote:

On 2011-01-25 00:48, Cryptid wrote:
My focus is precisely on music, and I was hoping to book PsyNina which is why I cruised into Isra via Google in the first place, hoping she would show up in person.



Did you even read the thread or examine the case made for the hoax? It is rather convincing. Good luck booking "her"; no one else has been successful. What's it saying about gender politics in the psytrance scene if PsyNina is indeed a hoax?

rich
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Posted : Jan 28, 2011 08:52
Quote:

On 2011-01-19 03:23, Cryptid wrote:
Peeps,

I am part of a crew in California that organizes underground parties, emphasizing the participation of non-male DJs and artists.




what crew is this?
Pavel
Troll

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Posted : Apr 10, 2011 23:08
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mk47
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 09:41
Quote:

On 2009-08-03 02:56, moki wrote:
i have always believed that she really exists.
and that she just doesnt wanna show herself playing cause she finds the scene pathetic.



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aXis
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 10:07
Is this movie still on ? shall i roll open the can of popcorn ?
At0m
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Posted : Apr 11, 2011 22:46
I saw her the other day, no wait... It was a travesti, my bad )
Xamanist
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Posted : Apr 12, 2011 14:17
Quote:

99.9% of the commercial female artists or djs i have encountered in this scene sell themselves as sex-objects.



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Aida Noridania


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Posted : Apr 23, 2011 21:40
for the record: i do got a german friend and so i went to ask him about this psynina story out of curiousity lol

'nobody will see psynina, she doesn't exist"

that was what he replied and out of the sense of honesty and respect he left that label for what it is (all label elated parties as he's not an artist)

i read the thread completely before i asked him about it and when i look into this i see only one huge fake in it. When there is nothing to hide, so much at stake all it needs is a picture of her playing on a gig (f*** that someone posts publicly a note to play in Sonica would just make me as artist to JUMP OF JOY!!!) then why didn't show it up in these almost now 6 years? ha&d the good laughs, had the fun nice jokes and so on but for me like my friend said "she doesn't exist" nobody saw psynina.

i see in all the links thomas in defense, i am sorry even the most shy person would at least support the label that does the effort to promote him/her and thus at least book a small party and make a picture with a link of the reviews... ain't a big effort. i am sure that everybody would understand even respect her statement if she says in public "i want to remain behind the scenes" in the end it's the hunt for truth that became a hunt for psynina...

but i am sure the more resistance to keep the lie up will more and more discredit Thomas in the end. Good acts will keep up the label but for new artists this will be a stone that will only get heavier for him... from there the more and more angry he becomes i see the pattern very well

and i think he is even not aware that for most people it's not important if she exists or not but that this is about truth and being true

as i also use a female artist name for my project but you see everywhere pictures of me performing doing an act on chillout stages (where i am a man as well) in chats i do say i am a man as well to avoid confusion

but from good sources: nobody saw psynina even not in Hamburg and my friend did laugh his ass off when i asked him about this....
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kazuku
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Posted : May 4, 2011 13:01
Its no coincidence the Psynina thread lives up during this time of year - after all she is in direct competition with the Easter Bunny.

Actually there have been some supposed sightings in Hamburg (St.Pauli), where she sometimes does "live acts" at strip joints..but I think they are confusing her with Psy Tina, her naughty twin sister..
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