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klippel
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 10:54:26
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hey chaps,
got the audiomidi nobrainer mail thats offering harrison mixbus for 60$.. the full version!
so i was thinking has anybody here ever used it?
i am not looking at going away from cubase.. more like exporting stems from cubase and make final mix down on harrison mixbus if that makes sense.
what about summing and overall sound of that thingy? are they really ahead of the other stuff? thoughts and experiences please 
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makus
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 12:42
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 13:25
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i like the sound of the processors , with jack osx it intergate wihtout much hasslie with a other daw for summing but it s not ideal for workflow.. on win i have no clue but it s probably possible too.. to route some outputs of cubase directly in mixbus so you use it like summing into a hardware console.
i wish they would release the channel strip as plugin cause using mixbus just for it is a pain .
to me it s what make mixbus good the strip everyhting else not really.. it s like using a other daw that more or less suck just cause you like the eq ,saturation plug . (sound is definely good but to me it s cause of these processors , give us the strip as plugin ! if it s a good buy for you totally depend about how much you like these processor, there is great plugin that run in all daws too soo... ) |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 12, 2013 13:55
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you can also make a analog summing chain pretty easily in cubase to run your stems or tracks of finished mix.. with sonimus satson for example, plus a eq a tape emu ect..
if you send me some 4 or 5 stems of a 8 bars loops for example i could make a test so at same time i see wich summing i like most..with softs / hardware ect i never made a a/b comparaison yet but i guess mixbus or satson+sweetone and maybe a tape emu will both lead to great result.. also nebula that i think might be best |
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klippel
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 08:08
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well as said, i would not need to use its daw functions nor want i to rewire it into my daw.. i was thinking as you suggested pom "instead of analogue summing". bounce stems from cubase, import to harrison, do final mixdown with the strip and other tools there.
mainly curious if it really give a more console like "summing" and "feel" whatever the fuck those words mean in each readers world, lol.
and pom i do not think there is virtually any software that bridges the actual summing of your daw, so satson (even though it might be cool) will not actually change cubases /or logics summing, right?
nebula is great but dodgy to use and here the same goes for the summing..
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 11:59
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yeah but why i went to the point of integration..if you like the eq ect.. like me ,you gonna want to use it direclty at mixing stage ... but sure if you use mixbus just to load sample/stems integration won t be a problem..(but i bet you will be pissed of you can t use these directly on your source while mixing..)
it s more than 1 years maybe i haven t used it..i don't need it for what i do now..but my impression on the sound was really positive..i loved to use these eq ect..and the console look amazing on a big screen 
not sure you will like it though.. and no demo and i think it s not possible to resell it
about summing yes satson it still cubase summing but harisson it s the same i guess..it s just the chanel strip and integrated saturators , the rest is hype i think.
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klippel
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:06
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i see your points..
on the demo from harrison site:
"Is there a downloadable demo for Mixbus?
No, we do not currently provide a demo of Mixbus. It is our experience that learning a new DAW is a significant investment in a professional's time. We require that users purchase Mixbus, and we provide full support to help them transition to using Mixbus on their system."
whateverthefuckthatmeans.. makes no sense for me.
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
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makus
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:09
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On 2013-03-13 08:08, klippel wrote:
and pom i do not think there is virtually any software that bridges the actual summing of your daw, so satson (even though it might be cool) will not actually change cubases /or logics summing, right?
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not Pom but no it wont change your daws behaviour. it is just 2 versions of a plugin. one for channel another for buss. the first you insert on all channels as the last plugin (well, if you have 80-100 tracks u will have to insert same number of plugins) and the second one goes to the master buss.
same thing with Waves NLS but this one is more like a saturation with amount control, which isnt really applicable to analog console. in this case satson should be more realistic.
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:10
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yeah non sense for the demos..
satson is the best from the comparaison i have heard, better than waves nls and slates plugins.. but it could be how the plugins were tweaked ect.. i have satson and really no lust for waves and others console emu.. but it s s till far from my friend console sound that is full of analog mojo.. but it s not same model..satson i think is based on ssl. |
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klippel
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:20
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enlightening post from gearsltz
"Hello everyone. Based on some of the glowing reviews on this thread, and in particular based on audio files posted by one of the board members that seemed to suggest MixBus sounds inherently different from "regular" DAWs, I bought a licence. I spent a couple of days with wrapping my head around MixBus, Ardour, and Jack. To be sure of what MixBus does or doesn't do, I put it through some tests. I'd like to share my results.
Most of my tests were null-tests.
#1 I streamed 7 very busy stereo tracks from Logic into MixBus. The tracks were complete songs, consequently the resulting summed signal was total cacophony. However, I reckoned if MixBus really does something special to the signal when summing, it should be immediately apparent with complex material.
Result: The 7 stereo tracks streaming from Logic nulled completely with the same tracks going live through MixBus.
#2 I bounced the 7 tracks realtime in Logic, resulting in one bounce track. I then recorded the same 7 tracks simultaneously in realtime into MixBus. I imported the Logic bounce track into MixBus, and lined it up with the 7 stereo tracks I recorded earlier. I routed the 7 tracks to the MixBus Master bus, to see if summing inside MixBus is different from that in Logic. I routed the Logic bounce track directly to my RME HDSPe Mixer (= TotalMix), bypassing the Harrison "summing engine".
Result: The 7 stereo tracks summed inside MixBus nulled completely with Logic's bounce track.
This shows, without doubt, that there is no special summing going on inside MixBus. You can pass a signal live through MixBus, or record it and play it back with MixBus, it is still going to sound the same. There is no summing magic. To be sure, I lowered the volume levels of all tracks by the same amount, -3.3 dB, to see whether this makes a difference. It didn't. Same result, perfect signal cancelation down to -80 dB and well below the noise floor of consumer gear.
#3 So, what DOES MixBus do? It has two nice EQs. The one on the regular channels sounds smooth and pleasant, however when engaged and with all dials set to centre point, it still colours the sound very noticeably. In fact, when engaged, the EQ always boosts low frequencies, which may make it sound "warm", but at the expense of accuracy. One would have to always roll off lower frequencies before using the EQ for corrective adjustments. I find this extremely irritating.
Thankfully, the EQ on the 4 dedicated mix busses does not exhibit this behaviour, but remains entirely neutral when engaged and with all dials set to centre point.
#4 The compressor does not automatically colour the sound when engaged and with the threshold set to zero. During normal operation, the compressor is rather benign and easy to use. I like it. Not terribly versatile, due to limited functionality, but still nice to have.
#5 The Tape Saturation effect on the mix busses and master channel is the best and most realistic I've heard to date. Sounds just like the real deal, to my ears anyway. Definitely nice to have.
#6 General operation: MixBus is mostly stable. It crashed a few times, although I'm not sure why, as I can't duplicate the sequence of steps that caused the crashes. Once everything is set up properly, MixBus opens existing projects quickly and without fuss. Cool. However, there are still plenty of bugs, mostly to do with the GUI. For example, I can't get MixBus to remember the chosen colour theme or edits of colours, but it always reverts back to the default theme.
#7 Jack is an acquired taste. I found I had to work at high latencies to not run into CPU limitations (this on an 8-core Mac Pro Xeon). At lower latencies (e.g. 128 samples), the sound would start to break up. That's very, very different from my usual experience when mixing only a few tracks.
#8 Bottom line: MixBus is an ordinary, if under-featured DAW. Obviously, there are no midi instruments, but there's also no support for side-chain compression with 3rd party plug-ins (I tried with Flux compressors). That's bad. Real bad.
Setting up FX sends and returns is a PITA. It suddenly made me appreciate Logic's approach a whole lot more.
Some people might enjoy working with MixBus, and I can see why. It is generally well laid out, visually quite appealing, and its limitations can work in one's favour. I understand that."
so pom, you were right, very cool processors.. and my fear that summing magic is a pile of shit from sales people seems to be true as well...
http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/stereofeld-frequenzwechsel
"I've always been a believer in musical repetition to draw in the listener and make the music hypnotic. Another thing I believe in is repetition." Alan Parsons |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:23
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yeah it s no suprise to me,and maybe the eq have nothing speical.. just nice Q and curves to start with.. but i remember i got excellent result from it,combined with the sat..
i m gonna check i think some shoutout have been made on forums comparing satson,mixbus ect..
all these stuff are about hype for making cash.. but it s still can help some mix. |
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:40
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PoM
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Posted : Mar 13, 2013 12:44
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it s subtle ... i like what it does but when using satson it s more for the gain stagin and filters than color.i l ike more to use saturator to bring more separation and depth ,the way it can limite the sound when used at small dose.
there is some comparaison with mixbus on gearslutz but can t find it right now.. , how these plugs are tweaked can affect a lot the sound so it dont really say much. |
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