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makus
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Posted : Apr 4, 2012 22:32
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though i use software a lot i think that hardware synths still sound better then software, but the difference becomes less and less. and things like flexibility and total recall sometimes neglect the difference at all.
but i still didnt yet tweak the same fm from software as i did on nord lead or blofeld. nowhere near.
filters are the same.. soft does good job already but still it doesn't sound same.
 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 4, 2012 22:34
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yeah it can also help a little to use higher sample rate fm can improve, same for filters at 96 khz but it s not drastic...hardware like nords and virus dont run internally at 44.1 but 96 khz if my memory is correct.
about why some hardware digital sound better i think it come directly to the coders,guys who make plugins a lot are newcomers i think and dont have much experience with analog technology and dsp .
that why some digital synth like the nord 1/2 ,G1 made 15 years ago that would take 2/5% of current cpu can still sound better/different than many new software , it s probably made buy guys who really knew their shit and they probably moved to something else with their talent something with much more money |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 4, 2012 22:49
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 5, 2012 00:43
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On 2012-04-04 22:23, PoM wrote:
with osc phase retriger (sad it s not implemented )it would be one of the best softsynth for psy bassline to me. maybe we have different taste
like that it s possible to make amazing goa bassline as it don t really need retriger.
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would you enlighten me as to how to program a goa bass in diva? I would be ever so grateful 
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makus
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Posted : Apr 5, 2012 03:28
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On 2012-04-04 22:34, PoM wrote:
yeah it can also help a little to use higher sample rate fm can improve, same for filters at 96 khz but it s not drastic...hardware like nords and virus dont run internally at 44.1 but 96 khz if my memory is correct. |
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not sure if it is the issue, man... but again I think you know how pain in the neck it is to switch sample rate while working. you have to close the project, open the new one, record the new fm lead (eg), export it back to initial project, etc. not very convenient yet.
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about why some hardware digital sound better i think it come directly to the coders,guys who make plugins a lot are newcomers i think and dont have much experience with analog technology and dsp .
that why some digital synth like the nord 1/2 ,G1 made 15 years ago that would take 2/5% of current cpu can still sound better/different than many new software , it s probably made buy guys who really knew their shit and they probably moved to something else with their talent something with much more money
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yeah i tend to use the same opinion but ok
if there were people making virtual stuff sound like that 15 years ago... what about now? where is the development? shouldn't there be at least 100 successfull people coding new same stuff like that?
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makus
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Posted : Apr 5, 2012 03:29
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On 2012-04-04 22:49, Nectarios wrote:
One thing is for sure, if you want analog synth sounds in your mixes, analog synths are the best 
Peace out.
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Hi, Captain!
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e-motion
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Posted : Apr 5, 2012 03:52
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@makus have you tried FM8? yeah the workflow sucks but with some hours onto it you can get some pretty awesome sounds.
As for u-He Diva, you can always sample it's waveform, cut it so you get one entire cycle starting at phase 0º and load it into Camel Audio Alchemy or Cronox
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Vermeee
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 08:44
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hardware synths rapes out any software sinth doesnt matter if they are digital hardwares or analog hardwares... and obviosly analog rapes out any digital hardware..
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makus
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 09:18
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On 2012-04-06 08:44, Vermeee wrote:
hardware synths rapes out any software sinth doesnt matter if they are digital hardwares or analog hardwares |
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, except Xio Synth
there are some pretty casually sounding hardware synths man, don't praise hardware that much. I think Omnisphere sounds better than some X-Station.
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makus
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 09:19
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On 2012-04-05 03:52, e-motion wrote:
@makus have you tried FM8? yeah the workflow sucks but with some hours onto it you can get some pretty awesome sounds.
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tried, but uninstalled. i understood the workflow, it is kinda like in fm7.
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As for u-He Diva, you can always sample it's waveform, cut it so you get one entire cycle starting at phase 0º and load it into Camel Audio Alchemy or Cronox
The joys of digital
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yeah, nice idea same goes with any other piece of anything.
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 10:21
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On 2012-04-06 08:44, Vermeee wrote:
hardware synths rapes out any software sinth doesnt matter if they are digital hardwares or analog hardwares... and obviosly analog rapes out any digital hardware..
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No, simple reason is because there is stuff you can do in digital that you can't do on analog, for example, setting an LFO to modulate the interpolation value of a formant oscillator, or set up 64 breakpoint envelopes to modulate the pitch, cut-off, or any parameter on an analog synth... thelist goes on.
I am an analog synth aficionado, but digital (software) synths have unique stuff to offer, especially these days where software has gotten so good.
There is also the personal taste, I do like some digital sounds in my mixes, the contrast the analog sounds in a very nice manner. Digital has its sound, and for some cases, it is perfect...and on top of that digital synths sit a lot easier in the mix.
Its not a question of VS anymore as software synths, do far more than just emulate analog.
You just have to identify and use each synth for its strengths.
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daark
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Posted : Apr 6, 2012 11:04
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What ? No digital ????!!!! Are you gone mad ?
FM8 ? 8 oscilators and 64 voices with a morph function ?
Give a hardware that has this function.
Or for example the all so praised Massive. Any hard that does those sounds ?
What are you gonna get in 2012 ? Yes a recording of a violin through tape and then get glitch on iit. Or the moog again ?
Virus with glitch?
And then you get it on soundcloud and digital download.
The only thing i see here is mindless praise of hardware.
What nectarios said. Different possibilities. There are far more digital sounds in a psy track then analog imho.
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aciduss
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Posted : Apr 7, 2012 06:33
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As far as i understand there are vsts that have internal oversampling so you wouldn't need to resample or use different projects.
I own a nordrack2 and a dsi mopho box... I'm very content with the results I get from this two machines. I used to have a Virus A too and loved it, just sold it because I needed the money and and thought I'd better save for the Snow so i could enjoy all the dsp usb things that it has.
Dunno if it placebo but I find much more easy to lay and mix sounds coming from this boxes... also de Motu preamps give them a nice feel.
I'm still collecting nice VSTs that will add sparkle to the hardware sounds... some of the UAD stuff goes very very nice, like the moog filter's distortion on the nord can make it really good or the emt reverb.
sylenth, imposcar2, z3ta2, zebra, native instruments stuff and some others are very nice vsts that can almost get to the hardware quality.
But I can tell u for sure that no vsts i have tried can get the nuances and warmenss of the mopho... once i tried a moog little phatty and it was way better than the mopho and any other vst. Only thing that makes me sad on mopho is the monophonic thing so one day ill swith it for the tetra or prophet if i can afford.
Nord is a beauty, I use it for many thing and i'm amazed by how fast i can turn a one shot into a pad or into a lfo rising gold ray, squelches, fm leads, u name it. I record add some fx, and have sounds that seem out of a pro samples CD for me is a very versatile tool that will never sell... also I'd buy the nordwave if i could, clavia's stuff is neat.
So maybe its a fetish but I love my humble boxes and yeah workflow is much more inspiring for me.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Apr 7, 2012 07:38
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 7, 2012 13:12
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will for the goa bass i like with square mixed with a saw and experimentating on the balance between the 2 ,sometimes one osc is used like a sub osc one octave lower .
i separated the sound in 2 bands and use chorus on mids and leave the low end dry.
i noticed the choice of module is very important in diva for basslines but dont remember the one i used (just the moog as osc it was well suited for goa butimo it s not the best one for full on bassline, one of the other give more drive)... i made these goa patch with first version and sadly these dont sound the same anymore with current version..i need to retweak/remake them but yeah you can make amazing goa bassline with it i was really suprised, the best i made in software wihtout using sample/rompler. |
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