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hardware vs software reverbs for psy
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 01:45
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reverb plugins use so much cpu,do you think a hardware unit is a good buy? how they perform vs softwares?i heard some cheap one(second hand) like the roland srv 330,3030 or tc m-one are still better than plugs, is it true? and what about the 500/800 euro range with some verb like lexicon pcm 80/90 and kurzweil rumor.thanks for help ! |
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 03:30
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slyman604
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Posted : Apr 10, 2007 03:44
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alot sound better but its really a pain in the ass for psy if you ask me. for 500/800 why not just upgrade to the fastest machine possible and use a nice convolution verb? |
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psylevation
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Posted : Apr 13, 2007 00:57
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I don't like convoluted convolution reverbs, they have so little control on shaping the sound, what you need to find is a good sounding plugin, believe me there is alot of crap out there....
I found only 1 good one so far, not convolution....
drum roll......Arts Acoustic Reverb...Check it out you wont regret it...
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Enertopia
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Posted : Apr 13, 2007 02:42
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External reverbs are great, but make sure you don't mind adding Hiss to the recording and also, make sure you got a good soundcard in order to record a clear reverb.
There are many vst reverbs that are great, IK multimedia CSR are probably the best ones.
http://www.classikstudioreverb.com/Main.html?prod-CSR
Also, Wizooverb w5.
Again, if you got a good routing, external reverbs are great. find one that does not have too much noise.
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Apr 13, 2007 12:53
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Mike A
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Posted : Apr 13, 2007 18:31
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Wizooverb!
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 14, 2007 16:02
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I use my Powercore DSP card mainly for the reverbs and i'm loving it.
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AvS
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Posted : Apr 16, 2007 12:15
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I use hardware reverbs only. You can get some good ones pretty cheap if you look at some older models.
I just got a Lexicon LXP-15 for 60$. Really nice reverb.
I also have a Sony DPS-v55m. Besides having some very good reverbs its also got alot of very good fx and its also cheap as hell.
Yamaha also made som great reverbs that are really cheap today.
Just remember that you need an audio interface with more than 2 outputs if you want to use hardware reverbs (with analog I/O's) in your DAW. |
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Witchery Whistle
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Posted : Apr 28, 2007 03:21
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Just remember that you need an audio interface with more than 2 outputs if you want to use hardware reverbs (with analog I/O's) in your DAW.
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Could you please explain this a bit. How should the signal be recorded from PC to PC without loss in quality? Does SPDI/F make any sense here? |
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Jikkenteki
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Posted : Apr 28, 2007 04:30
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I use the CSR Reverbs mentioned above for software, but for hardware, I just recently got a Lexicon MPX1 which is fabulous as well.
Regarding how to connect your hardware units to your DAW. I have a channel in Cubase to it via SPDIF so it fits in the work flow very well. Set up wise its very simple, have one output channel go to your SPDIF in and have another input channel into Cubase connected to your SPDIF out. The just route whatever channel you want to use the reverb for out through the second output, add an audio track and record the SPDIF sent input channel. For older units without the digital option, you just do the same thing with analog. Provided your levels are sent correctly and your mixer isn't noisy (if you use one, you can just go directly to the unit too), you won't have any real issues with sound quality.
For hardware reverbs, Lexicon, T.C. Electronic and Eventide are basically the greats, but their stuff can generally too expensive for most people unless you find a lucky deal used.
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AvS
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Posted : Apr 29, 2007 16:39
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On 2007-04-28 03:21, The_LiQuiDMetal_RoBAT_v1.1 wrote:
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Just remember that you need an audio interface with more than 2 outputs if you want to use hardware reverbs (with analog I/O's) in your DAW.
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Could you please explain this a bit. How should the signal be recorded from PC to PC without loss in quality? Does SPDI/F make any sense here?
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Jikkenteki pretty much explained it.
SPDI/F is cool because its digital so sending sound into a digital fx that is connected with SPDI/F doesnt degrade the signal at all because the sound does not get converted to analog when leaving the computer, and back to digital when it returns.
With only analog fx you just need som more outputs on your soundcard.
I have 8 outputs. Out 1-2 is where my monitors are connected and the other outputs connects to my hardware reverbs. The out of the reverb goes to my mixer wich goes back into the computer so i can record the reverbs.
Reverbs are usually send fx so i have three send channels in my sequencer that sends to the analog outputs of my audio interface that are connected to the ins of the three reverbs that i have.
Very important: You have to make shure the the reverbs only outputs a 100% wet signal (100% reverb - no audio from the original signal must be send out, otherwise you will get some strange phase problems).
So basicly they almost work as using plugins you just have to record the reverbs on an audio channel when your mix is done and remember what reverb setting you've use for your songs. I just write the present number on the send channel.
An important thing is to avoid recording the reverbs while mixing. I only record my reverbs once - when a track is done. The reason is that they are a bit noisy so if you record the reverb multiple times and mix them you get more noise. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 29, 2007 17:54
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thanks all for the answers,i have no money right now but i hope to try one soon...i said for psy but in fact i was looking for verbs they use a lot in euro dance, i think it s the lexicon pcm sound,very emotional,you see what i mean?it s not very used in psy ,i ll try some impulses to see if it s what i m looking for. |
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AvS
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Posted : Apr 29, 2007 18:07
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I dont believe that there are any reverbs that are suitet for psy more than others. Its just they way you use a reverbs that matters. |
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 29, 2007 19:06
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maybe you don t see the kind of sound i m talking about,in trance i think i have heard only astrix with a verb sounding like the one they use often in eurodance,if it was only tweaking lot of producers ll use this sound , but maybe you re right ,i m really not sure if it s the gear or impulse used, i have to try it for that. |
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