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Posted : Sep 15, 2009 02:44
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On 2009-09-15 02:01, hardkornate wrote:
looks like I need to get that satellite dish sooner than later. Or maybe the library will let me upload...
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there's free wifi in much of downtown asheville
probably takes ages to upload a mix though...
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DanVapid
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Posted : Sep 15, 2009 18:57
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On 2009-09-12 00:18, FaceHead wrote:
i love the idea of hidden dj's it takes the focus off of the artist. you wanna see what they are doing peek behind the oz curtain. otherwise pay no attention to the person pay attention to the music. or to yourself. social rank is hard to avoid when you are forced to look in the direction of the person hitting play. it makes them seem larger than life.
if you personally feel cheated by not getting paid for your trancing then you need to find a new job.
we all do this out of love or out of ego then through the course of things find ourselves.
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this is what i've always envisioned for the proper psy party experience. however our rituals have become far too focused towards the music provider, which is largely a result of pop culture conditioning. how to break that mentality? there is plenty of room for experimentation in party planning for the courageous organizer.
on the second point, while it's clearly true that only a fool would expect to be collecting a sustainable salary from playing music in the psytrance scene (aside from top flight int'l producers), there has definitely been a consistent pattern of impropriety between psy event organizers and the artists who play for them. playing music, while fun, is also work and requires significant time and monetary commitment which organizers often fail to compensate for adequately. break-even compensation would be sufficient, and even something less would be enough to show respect and build professional relationships, as long as the amount is pre-determined and initiated by the organizer so that the artist does not have to assume the uncomfortable role of money hungry beggar. of course, in the rest of society, it is natural and expected for a person to engage in explicit monetary negotiations before agreeing to work. and this process has no bearing on or connection to the personal relationship thereafter. so why can't things be this way in the psytrance world? why do we have to make agreements on such foggy and implied terms? hasn't this already caused more division and stagnation than would traditional business practices that so many of us have been unwilling to embrace? a community which is small in comparison to others around it will never be able to thrive or even survive amid such cannabalism and infighting. the whole idealistic mentality is core to the community's identity, but it must be balanced with materialistic sensibility as well. the limited growth of psytrance can't be simply attributed to the tempo or intensity of the music, or "superior intellect" of the culture. if as a whole we continue to come across as loose hippies who operate according to our own fuzzy rules then we can never be taken seriously and will be forever susceptible to predators from both inside and outside our community. sorry for the way off topic rant. alternative opinions are very welcome.
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Ascension
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Posted : Sep 15, 2009 19:43
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GorillaDust
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Posted : Sep 15, 2009 19:56
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On 2009-09-15 19:43, Ascension wrote:
the hidden dj experiment has already been done
didn't work from what I heard 
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It sounds like an awesome idea, but I guess wouldn't it just end up like listening to a mix cd? Stage presence is worth a couple points...
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konflux
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Posted : Sep 15, 2009 22:12
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As my colleague Kiva says: "Never pay to play". I suggest everyone who considers themselves a professional should stick to this rule, unless there are other factors involved, such as travelling opportunity or desire to give a friendly favor.
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On 2009-09-15 18:57, DanVapid wrote:
playing music, while fun, is also work and requires significant time and monetary commitment which organizers often fail to compensate for adequately. break-even compensation would be sufficient, and even something less would be enough to show respect and build professional relationships, as long as the amount is pre-determined and initiated by the organizer so that the artist does not have to assume the uncomfortable role of money hungry beggar.
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 00:02
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saintcarl
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 02:58
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This is the reason why there are not many if no "professional" psytrance DJ's in USA at least not as main source of income.
That is if you use Wikipedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional
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On 2009-09-15 22:12, konflux wrote:
As my colleague Kiva says: "Never pay to play". I suggest everyone who considers themselves a professional should stick to this rule, unless there are other factors involved, such as travelling opportunity or desire to give a friendly favor.
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On 2009-09-15 18:57, DanVapid wrote:
playing music, while fun, is also work and requires significant time and monetary commitment which organizers often fail to compensate for adequately. break-even compensation would be sufficient, and even something less would be enough to show respect and build professional relationships, as long as the amount is pre-determined and initiated by the organizer so that the artist does not have to assume the uncomfortable role of money hungry beggar.
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konflux
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 03:26
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A professional is an individual who gets reimbursed for his/her services. This is in my book.
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On 2009-09-16 02:58, saintcarl wrote:
This is the reason why there are not many if no "professional" psytrance DJ's in USA at least not as main source of income.
That is if you use Wikipedia definition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional
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On 2009-09-15 22:12, konflux wrote:
As my colleague Kiva says: "Never pay to play". I suggest everyone who considers themselves a professional should stick to this rule, unless there are other factors involved, such as travelling opportunity or desire to give a friendly favor.
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myspace.com/konfluxpsy | www.konfluxmusic.net | PsyTribe | Phar Psyde Recs. | Logical Light Recs.
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FaceHead
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 03:28
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i see your points mod
im curious if the lax and disorganized nature of our business interactions is what has kept the trance scene from becoming mega over here maybe it appears to be to big of task for business to want to work with a bunch of ameteurs that buy several hundred dollar plane tickets off of their pizza delivery money. If business made sense in psytrance wouldnt we not be able to have so man little pockets popping up. It makes it so people who are trying their hardest to bring something they love to the few around them open to it are capable of financially doing so.
this is where community comes into play. community is not about getting what one deserves its about benefitting the community as a whole. in short. balance. if a 19 year old wants to throw a prty in some no name town expecting to lose his ass still pays 500 for my plane ticket than i cant justify asking him for an extra couple of hundred when i know he is already in the negative. Now on the flip side of that. if you throw a festival that profits tens of thousands of dollars than to expect any artist to play for free is unreasonable and kinda greedy.
point is yes its a mess but its up to each of us to operate in a fair and honest way when it comes to finances. If you feel somebody is not meeting your needs find out if they even can. if they can and arent then they are not being fair if they cant and are trying then cut them a break. if they are vague make them be clear.
although it costs money to eat at the airport and it costs money to miss work and equipment costs money and it costs money to get to and from your home airport everyone else pays too.
party goers sometimes driving more than ten hours to go to a one night party that they then have to pay to get into after spening hundreds on travel costs. promoters sometimes make money sometimes lose all their money.
what im saying is in the end we all pay to play in some way.
crap im doing it again sorry for the hypocritical re-assertion of personal opinion.
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krisamadhi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 03:38
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FaceHead
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 10:38
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your face is off topic
..i didnt eat ALL the donuts
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krisamadhi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 14:55
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emilybobemily
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 16:19
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aaaaahhhh why you gotta talk about pastry products?!
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Axis Mundi
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 19:53
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Today I stopped at the bakery on my way to work and got a Zimt-Marzipan-Wuppi... it's a triangular breakfast cake filled with cinnamon/sugar chunks, filled with marzipan (sweet almond paste), and brushed with butter before it gets baked. I ate it with a large cup of steaming hot coffee with cream. If you heat it up in the microwave for a few seconds first, it gets all hot and moist before jamming it deep into your mouth. The best things about those is dipping it in your coffee before biting into it, and licking the sweet nutty creme taste off of your lips for the next twenty minutes afterwards.
You can also get them with chocolate coating on the corners, which is a bit messier as it involves licking melted brown fudge off of your fingers and the corners of your mouth, which is actually quite yummy if you're into that sort of thing or have never tried it before and are a bit tittilated by the idea.
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hardkornate
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Posted : Sep 16, 2009 20:13
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I will be burning a pile of demos to hand out at Equinox this weekend.
Hopefully someone with solid internet gets one and uploads it 
Kri, I'll have a special, no mash up's mix just for you, too.
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