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Handling the Peaks

Cannabis
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Sep 13, 2008 22:34:41
You surely encontered the situation that a lead or percussion sounds good in the mix but it drives the total mix level to red. I personally having difficultie in these situations, coz lowering the volume, compressing or limiting or even reducin the attack of it solves the excessive overall levels, but that pushes this particular sound to the background or it gets too quite.

I regularly allow the frequencies to have thier own space, but sometimes whatever I do can't get good results.
how you guys tackle this problem?           -------------------------------------------------
parapsyched
Scratch 22

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Posted : Sep 13, 2008 23:04
youre not compressing as you should be. that y they have compressors.
u can export the sound and manually edit the peaks and there you go .... problem solved.           if u dig deep enough u just might reach the sky...

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Upavas
Upavas

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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 00:55
also before you compress apply something like voxengo span as the last plugin on that channel, check where your frequencies are really high and then eq out. Afterwards compress... I found compression quite useful with leads at times...           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
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Andrew
Voice Of Cod / Zuloop

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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 03:47
keep practicing with your eqing. Try reading tarekiths mixing guide here... this is a real goldmine

http://tarekith.com/assets/mixdowns.html




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piko_bianko
Oxya

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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 06:30
start placing fundamental stuff in lower db...

eg. if you're used to make the kickbass and then start mixing everything on it, in next track you make when you're done with the kickbass, put channel fader(s) at -6db or even lower... or even even lower.. and then continue with your track.
everything we'll be in perfect loudness after the mastering process

so, what you're lacking is headroom           extreme
Fragletrollet
Fragletrollet

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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 17:18
yes headroom problem. Ive started to mix my newest tracks superquiet (typically -25db on the kick), I just turn up the amps It seems to give me better control and way better soundquality when the sounds dont have to fight eachother... the overall punch and clerity is better for sure...

Just compress in the right way (experiment with attack and release, is important to get the sound to stand out)
and be sure to mix other levels at an appropriate rate


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index
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 18:03
Also,to increase your headroom more...
if u have multi outputs audio interface u can route each ch. to different outputs
          HTTP://www.decadancerecords.it/audioplug
PoM
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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 19:27
does it sound bad when hitting the red? if no then just leave it like that, or you could lower all the tracks in volume to get the same balance in the mix no need compression or limiter for that and leave more head room when you start your next track so you re not bothered with things like that.
Upavas
Upavas

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Posted : Sep 14, 2008 22:44
Quote:

On 2008-09-14 19:27, PoM wrote:
does it sound bad when hitting the red? if no then just leave it like that, or you could lower all the tracks in volume to get the same balance in the mix no need compression or limiter for that and leave more head room when you start your next track so you re not bothered with things like that.



I would say to be careful with the red. You may hear what it sounds like on your speaker, but you don't necessarily know what it sounds like on a different set or even on a PA. I always eliminate the red zone at earliest sight
          Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/
Cannabis
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Sep 15, 2008 01:12
OK..... now I'm confused           -------------------------------------------------
Medea
Aedem/Medea

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Posted : Sep 15, 2008 01:18
Interesting... Will try to mix my next track 6 dB quieter, but for now I don't understand why the quality should improve. My kick+bass is usually -6 -7 dB, and I very rarely have peaks on master higher than -1 dB, though I don't use compressors a lot...           http://soundcloud.com/aedem
Get-a-fix
Getafix

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Posted : Sep 15, 2008 01:45
I usually work with elements routed to different groups so instead of having to lower every channel fader when there is a over i just reduce the levels of all the groups. This way the balance of the mix stays the same.

Here's a good video on gain structure:





          http://www.soundcloud.com/getafixmusic
Upavas
Upavas

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Posted : Sep 15, 2008 09:44
Getafix, can you upload again please, it says video no longer available...           Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/
Get-a-fix
Getafix

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Posted : Sep 15, 2008 13:28
It works if you stream it directly on youtube, pasting the link here doesn't see to work for some reason.

It's the second one here, titled 'Proper gain structure'
http://uk.youtube.com/results?search_query=cubase+operator&search_type=&aq=f          http://www.soundcloud.com/getafixmusic
orgytime
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Sep 15, 2008 14:21
i still dont get it... i tested alot with compressors...
example a lead wich got to loud parts in it... i tried to fix that, no success at all...

and if this isnt working, i dont get the point of compressing.
i do everything with the EQ.

a compressor should kick in when some freqs are to loud right?
in this case i would understand the multibandcompressor, because you can set the freq you need...

im confused;;
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