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grouping drums with bass or with the rest..?
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golem
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 05:37:30
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I have difficulties in deciding which kind of grouping is better for a good electronic music mix.
Lets assume that you have already groups for kick and bass (BASSGROUP), and a group for the rest of the percussions DRUMS, with maybe the exception of crash cymbals. Then you have a group for everything else than this, solos, pads, psy-sounds, etc., lets call this group THEREST
Which choice do you think is better for mixing, combining BASGROUP and DRUMS into a BASSDRUMS group (which you can then process) or routing DRUMS to THEREST so that it is bundled with everything else (except for kick and bass)..?
I mean the aim is of course to process EQ, dynamics or even stereo image of the whole group, if you find that it will make the sound better.
 
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Kolishin Methud
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 07:44
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really grouping is a matter of taste, organization and workflow!
As well at times a tool... the way you menton is very tidy and works well with many peoples workflow.
Although you don't "HAVE" to have it. Akthough it sure helps tons in my opinion.
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Equilizyme
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 08:38
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i try to minimize group processing until the very end of the production process, otherwise i get all screwed up with levels while bouncing and stuff being sidechain compressed to the wrong thing etc. so i just save it til the end.
as far as organization i just put all the things i would group together next to eachother, then make them all the same color (this works in ableton, not sure about other DAW) so it all looks like a group to me but i can process everything separately
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 09:09
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I have mostly groups that are dependend on low cut frequency. Like 250 Hz Group or 500 Hz Group etc.
For bass I got an own group channel for all its layers , and that group is a subgroup of my kick and bass group. Routing of channels is fun and usefull for lots of things, routing can also be just creative (sends for example).
If I got let's say 10 channels that need all atleast a lowcut @ 250 Hz than routing them into one 'group'aux-channel with one lowcut for all makes CPU work lighter.
I still process often the grouped channels seperately - for instance with an additional individual low shelf, highcut etc.
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Kryten
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 10:49
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I group frequency ranges, so I have groups for Low,Lowmid, Mid and High. I add a group for SFX aswell sometimes...
I would also say its just a matter of taste and workflow.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 11:18
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IMO the drums/percussion should be separate from the kick/bass - they occupy different frequency ranges most of the time, and are usually (for me anyways) processed quite differently.
I've been using the same workflow for groups for a long time and I really like it - I do Kickbass / Leads / Percussion / FX / Atmosphere - Yellow / Red / Orange / Purple / Green respectively.
Totally a matter of taste - but whatever you do, make it a habit and do it the same way each time and build up a familiarity with that workflow and streamline it. Whenever I make a sound now it gets a color, and a name then it gets dropped into the appropriate group almost automatically - whereas when I started out I would be all sloppy and then lose myself in a massive project that is all the same color with no groups and no names 
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makus
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 14:12
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I group kick+bass, percussion+hats, all tracks that needs to be sidechained (global sidechain group) and sometime individual groups if i need something specific. Other than that I process everything separately.
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 18:44
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if you sidechain you proably dont need it, but it might worth a A/B , all drums toghther with a drum bus compressor, to get a groove ,a little pump , don't send the bassline to that bus it will kill the pumping groove by trigering the comp and make things flat(but it can work too), it should lead to different groove/pump than using a little sidechain comp on the drums trigered by the kick .
personaly i love drum bus compression and it need the kick to work great, haven t experimented much with sidechaining the drums to the kick though, it might lead to good result , but both technic should give a different sound and maybe both technic could work great used toghther.
bassline + kick work great in psytrance too but you then loose kick + drums processing and compression that also work great it s a usual technic used in all style of music..what ever work in the end, just some ideas to try for guys that don't use drums bus processing . |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 5, 2011 19:18
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thats very basic stuff but it s the first good reason of why you should use groups ,it s very usefull to adjust the volume of some sounds in the mix. when you mix, once a group of sound like the drums have the right balance you group it to have one fader to contol the balance of these sound in the mix, insteed of having to move 15 faders for example.
if you want your drums a few db louder you can adjust their volume in the mix easy wihtout breaking the balance of the group. just for that buss really help and lead to better workflow that can lead to better mix |
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 6, 2011 01:12
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if you want phatter sound,parrallel drum bus with big smiley curve and add harmonics pultec style eq + saturator ,compression/transient designer, blend it low with the original drum bus ,adjust volume/ tweak the parallel bus processors to taste. |
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minus
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Posted : Dec 6, 2011 13:08
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mostly will group percussive rain together, for furthur automation or other processes,, other than that,, alll rest done individually.
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demoniac
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Posted : Dec 6, 2011 13:18
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