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Greeks and "dark-psy"
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 16:19
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so tell me , what are the "qualifications" music has to have in order to fall under the "psy trance" [..] category?
Also you made some pretty incorrect such as
"all dark artists are talentless" , and you showed some of your dislike for Battle Of The Future Buddhas and Schlab Rekkords generally
let me you ask this..
have you heard Schlab 2? BotfB were making music very close to psychedelic goa in this comp. Ka-Sol also had relased a track in APSARA [heard it?]
Ka-Sol will release 2 albums in April , one will be more melodic and light, the other dark psy with influences from industrial i think
so they cant be that "talentless" eh, since they are openminded and explore many genres..
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 16:31
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On 2006-02-18 06:32, Rah wrote:
Drugstore psychologist? please, please look at your nickname (whether for sarcastic reasons or not) and stop judging people.
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Dude I don't what you've been smoking but you need to send some this way cause it must be some good shit. YOU are telling ME to stop judging people when you say that you apparently know what music I like and say...Quote:
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On 2006-02-16 22:19, Rah wrote:
hey e-tard, you don't conform to sheep like behavior but yet you listen to the most popular type pf psy trance.. yup that made sense... |
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On 2006-02-18 06:32, Rah wrote:
thanks for giving a lesson on what comercial means. Notice however i did not use that word. |
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Sorry but you are not the centre of the universe. If you've been reading the posts, you'd realise that was for nick..obviously you didn't 
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On 2006-02-18 06:32, Rah wrote:
haughty attitude and pre-conception that people should be listening to the kind of psychedelic trance you like. |
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Can you read english? Where did I say that??
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On 2006-02-18 06:32, Rah wrote:
excuse me i have to go watch a chick flik... 
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You do that and pick up some wit pointers.
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 16:45
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CHP like you already noticed i only focus on the music debate of this conversation and i never mentioned any drugged or burnt out people simply because also in psy trance (and if you ask me unfortunately in most of the electronic music genres and scenes)a big percentage of the listeners and producers are more or less into some kind of drugs either on daily or weekly use.
By the way i dont find it bad that people dissaggree about something,i find it preety nice as long as ofcourse the conversation remains on polite levels like it does now except just a couple of people that cross the limits a little bit but without being really offending if you ask me 
Nick psy trance started from somewhere and like Atmos once said the music started in slowly beats cause the main idea was to make a music to match the beats of your heart but somehow it became faster and faster all the time.I think that 136-144bpm is already fast enough (really fast enough if you ask me) and anything faster than that is something different than what psy trance meant to be in its beggining.
I mean why couldnt this 15O+ beats per minute music be considered as the evolution of happy hardcore and gabba music and it has instead to be something connected with psy trance?
Thats a good question dont you think?And the answer is preety obvious also.Happy hardcore is more or less a dead genre of music while psy trance is more popular and growing slowly but steadily so its better to belong in the 'psy trance family' than belonging in something preety much unknown in our days like gabba music.
And to answer your last question i have heard many many tunes by BOTFB and Ka-Sol before and i still cant understand how they are connected with psy trance,and i am talking about the majority of their tunes and not just a couple of tracks that sound closer to psy trance.Also the same goes to Texas Faggott and many other artists that you mentioned before who if you ask me are closer to Aphex Twin than psy trance
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Rah
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 17:07
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On 2006-02-18 16:15, CHP wrote:
They say so many bad things about the listeners of night trance and yet not so many ppl, the so called, listeners of 'dark-psy' respond with this mean manner....
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mean manner? i think you've read this thread enough to realize who'se bringing the bad vibes
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On 2006-02-18 16:45, DETOX wrote:
By the way i dont find it bad that people dissaggree about something,i find it preety nice as long as ofcourse the conversation remains on polite levels like it does now except just a couple of people that cross the limits a little bit but without being really offending if you ask me
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Well if i was that person allow me to apologize, you are right is about discussing points of view and not personally attacking each other for the first reason we can think of.
attempting to answer your question. I honestly don't see how happy hardcore fits into 'dark psy'... and i could see how gabba fits into genre, but you are forgetting the industrial influences. Ask goa gil what he was spinning along when he started besides kraftwerk... it was electonic industrial man, front line assembly, front 424.. i have a relik of the 1990's of skinny puppy in a concert in miami and you should hear it, it's like modern day techno. I'm not trying to defend trance should go at 170 BPM's i think it's crazy too man, but lately most of the stiff i have heard -thankfuly- does not go beyond 145-148... and i feel confortable with this. I can see where you're coming about a loud kick and the other, but that's just categorizing if you ask me. and i don't realy listen schlab records to be honest. but hey to each their own i guess...
hey e-turd... i get better stuff to do with my time than attacking people in the internet for no good reason. grow up dude...
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 17:28
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so if it's more than 150 BMP it's not
"psytrance"
i wonder why you narrow the genre so much
Borris Blenn - Portamento is 160 BPM
some Hallucinogen tracks also are around 150 BPM
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| And to answer your last question i have heard many many tunes by BOTFB and Ka-Sol before and i still cant understand how they are connected with psy trance,and i am talking about the majority of their tunes and not just a couple of tracks that sound closer to psy trance |
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whatever...
you cant say they are talentless anywayz
just that you dont like them, that's fine
but NOT define what's psytrance and what's not
you can say they are not psychedelic to you
but not make it sound like the absolute dogmatic truth
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tim@motion
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 18:05
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On 2006-02-16 22:19, Rah wrote:
we understand the need for detox to maintain the level of propaganda for your label and your music, but just cause certain names aren't signed up to "exposure" productions that dosen't mean they aren't good
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Come on rah... do you realy think that these artists appearing on exposure's compilations and albums, realy need some xtra "propaganda" ?
On the other hand i think that the "dark" or twisted artists need some promotion. (i don't use the word propaganda" )
But to be honest, promoting such music is a difficult and risky task in many aspects. Afterall maybe that's the reason that makes you feel that this style is real "underground" . But as i said on another post, "underground" is a different thing from one person to another and a difficult thing to define. Everyone has his own criteria about what underground is. i.e. i have a friend with 3.000 house ,tech electro and trance vinyls and he realy thinks that he is part of the so called U.M.M.
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 18:26
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Nick also Juno Reactor made Conga Fury on something like 160 or i dont know how many bpm and also like you said Hallucinogen and Electric Universe have some tracks on more than 148-150 but these are exceptions to the rule and we are talking about Juno Reactor,Hallucinogen and Electric Universe here and not just anybody.Out of their hundreds releases its normal to have these unique and exceptional tunes.
Dark psy deals with 150 plus bpm as its standard and not as an exception
You got to find a better argument as you can easily see
Dear Rah no need to apologize,your stand on this discussion is very nice and on a high level except maybe that propaganda stuff that you mentioned in the beggining but like Tim said to you i dont think that people like Boris Blenn,Prometheus and Dado need any propaganda from people like you and me or anyone else
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Rah
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 18:29
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On 2006-02-18 18:05, tim-X-treme wrote:
Come on rah... do you realy think that these artists appearing on exposure's compilations and albums, realy need some xtra "propaganda" ?
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of course not, i didn't talk about artists... i talked about detox maintaining a stance about the type of music his label projects that he is defending in this thread. Why because he likes that music... i thought i was clear on that issue.
on the other hand i do respect, his effort to bring higher standards of quality, than recycled hard house, chessy-anthemic tunes with blips and blops thrown over the top, to call it 'psy' but you see that is how i see things
now if you excuse me i think i have butted in to this conversation enough...
ps: detox... 'dark psy' does not exclusively go at 150's an higher... ghreg on earth (one of the darkest albums to my ears last year, didn't pass from 145...). There are people in the scene that stand by your side on this argument of speed, and things are changing. you can expect some truly sick twisted stuff to surface soon at nothing higher than 145 probably on the 130's coming out of the US soon... we shall see elementoftime.net
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 21:41
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 22:07
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This topic has sunk to new lows 
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Posted : Feb 18, 2006 22:24
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 19, 2006 13:50
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hahah
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Dark psy deals with 150 plus bpm as its standard and not as an exception |
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even if that's true to an extent, so what??
As Rah said, there is dark that is slower, even tracks at 120 or 130
[no no, to be psy trance it has to be between 136,34 and 140,25 bpm]
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 19, 2006 14:10
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who is this "darkpsy"anyway?????
does he have releases????????
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Narcosis
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Posted : Feb 19, 2006 14:15
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On 2006-02-19 14:10, X_RUST wrote:
who is this "darkpsy"anyway?????
does he have releases????????
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Off topic. dark-psy have an album i think. but you r off topic. (ta mperdepses vasika)  Trance Sound As A Medium Towards Mystical Experience... |
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 19, 2006 14:58
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Nick my friend i think you are playing with words here and thats not very wise if you ask me.We both know the truth concerning dark psy and its average bpm so trying to twist the facts wont lead us anywhere i guess.
I only hope that Rah's words will become true in the future and that people will start producing music on lower bpm and pay more attention on its production and ideas,then maybe we can open this topic again
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try Deviant Species also 
