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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 14:59
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oh
so you think Raja Ram or Skazi play higher quality music than Derango?
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 15:27
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What makes you think that on one side there are Parahalu,Procs and Derango and on the other Skazi and Raja Ram?
There are amazing and respectable artists out there for the people to enjoy like Etnica,Atmos,Deedrah,Koxbox,Hallucinogen,Prometheus,Ticon,Son Kite,Vibrasphere,Tristan,Electric Universe and many many more that can satisfy everyone's taste from dark to morning sounds and from dance anthems to more progressive and relaxing tunes all surrounded by a majestic sense of psychedelia.
All the artists mentioned above and many more who i cant remember at the moment are 10 levels higher than any of these guys producing noise on fruity loops and presenting it as 'dark psy' or those guys who remix Prodigy on better equipment and present it as 'the evolution of psy trance that needs to get more commercial'.
There is good music out there that awaits to be discovered and any track by Etnica and Atmos can beat the whole discography of Skazi and Derango any day in terms of innovation,production,talent,feeling or whatever.
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noizbox
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 15:37
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i think that the reason we have so many "dark artists" overnight,is simply because its so easy to make! PC,FL,kick+bass presets from ur buddy that got them from his internet contacts and then add disturbing,random noises..Surprise!!u have the latest dark masterpiece! There's no flow,no musical feeling no story,no nothing..And the production oohh! i listened some Derango tracks /after somebody forced me lol/ and i must say it was the thinner tracks i've heard the last maybe 5 years...
after all i'd like to say that i consider the "dark artists" some kind of heroes...Imagine to have this thing looped for hours and hours trying to make it "sound right"!!
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 15:55
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| There are amazing and respectable artists out there for the people to enjoy like Etnica,Atmos,Deedrah,Koxbox,Hallucinogen,Prometheus,Ticon,Son Kite,Vibrasphere,Tristan,Electric Universe and many many more that can satisfy everyone's taste from dark to morning sounds and from dance anthems to more progressive and relaxing tunes all surrounded by a majestic sense of psychedelia.
All the artists mentioned above and many more who i cant remember at the moment are 10 levels higher than any of these guys producing noise on fruity loops and presenting it as 'dark psy' or those guys who remix Prodigy on better equipment and present it as 'the evolution of psy trance that needs to get more commercial'.
There is good music out there that awaits to be discovered and any track by Etnica and Atmos can beat the whole discography of Skazi and Derango any day in terms of innovatio |
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who i cant remember at the moment are 10 levels higher than any of these guys producing noise on fruity loops and presenting it as 'dark psy' or |
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You mean Derango and Procs are writing noise on Fruity Loops? hahahah
have you heard the new Procs are you are just speaking theoretically??
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hahah.
oh.. Etnica belong in the past.
Hallucinogen too.
Heard their latest stuff??
Etnica have lost it since Chrome IMO.
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| PC,FL,kick+bass presets from ur buddy that got them from his internet contacts and then add disturbing,random noises..Surprise!!u have the latest dark masterpiece |
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let me rephrase this a bit.
PC,FL,kick+bass presets from ur buddy that got them from his internet contacts and then add typical,cheesy melody and delay..Surprise!!u have the latest "melodic fullon" masterpiece
As i said.
There are few albums I like in the dark psy genre.
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| There is good music out there that awaits to be discovered and any track by Etnica and Atmos can beat the whole discography of Skazi and Derango any day in terms of innovation,production,talent,feeling or whatever. |
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WTF are you comparing? and you put Skazi and Derango in the same league?
Reming when was Etnica's last innovative release?
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sounds like excellent advertisement.
I liked the new Prometheus..
Havent heard anything great and outstanding from Kox Box since Dragon Tales, and Psychopod side-projects =p
Deedrah... fullon
Electric Universe is my only hope..
Let's see,
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| i listened some Derango tracks /after somebody forced me lol/ and i must say it was the thinner tracks i've heard the last maybe 5 years... |
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thinner? Go see a doctor. Seriously. First clean the ears then if you still find it thin it's your brain's fault.
You can say you dont like it but that it sounds thin??
The production quality is high, above average...
and that's not so subjective 
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CLAW
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:03
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Same conversation over and over again....
how many times, we have said that it is all a matter of taste...
some ppl like black, some ppl like white... A few of them like also grey...
some ppl like spicy, some ppl hate it... Some ppl like mild.....
Stop comparing music styles & tastes....
Greeks like lots of styles... This figures from the parties they do, and from the artists that produce music...
In each country there are different styles of producers...
Noone is the best, and nobody is the worst from such cases... Each and everyone has his/her distinctive style...
Stop judging styles... It has been mentioned that is like a loop going in circles...
Lets not forget that TECHNO music, which i consider a monotonic loopwise music is a style that most of the genres that we listen today, got affected by it...
If there is something that you do not like stop listening to it, or even better stop talking about it...!!!!
Try to focus what you like more and how to make it even better...
My personal opinion, is that greek producers are making a hell of a work in terms of producing...
Keep it up boys and girls, and listen to whatever u like no matter what....
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:17
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nice words CHP
i agree, taste is taste
that's what some ppl cannot understand and want to classify a whole genre as talentless , because of their prejudices and narrow-mindedness
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My personal opinion, is that greek producers are making a hell of a work in terms of producing...
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such as ?I think last greek releases that impressed me were by Opsis, Wizzy Noise, and Spyweirdos[in IDM genre, not psy]
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:22
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Nick if Etnica (who just released their new album Sharp last year and are currently working on their new Pleiadians album) and Hallucinogen (who is releasing a new album and tunes every year since he is involved in many projects like Shpongle and Younger Brother) belong in the past and all the artists that you mentioned belong in the future then the future of psy trance music doesnt look good to me.
And yes Koxbox,Hallucinogen,Etnica and the rest dont release too much SIMPLY BECAUSE MAKING A TRACK TAKES TIME and not just 3-4 days that most of your mentioned artists need in order to make a tune,i cant explain the fact that they seem to have a new tune every week and on every new 'dark psy' compilation.
And no i havent heard the new Procs (who the fuck are Procs anyway?) but i have had enough of Kasol,Battle Of The Future Buddhas,Derango,Para Halu and all these artists who sound like twisted noise to me.
So like someone correctly mentioned before its easy to get a kick and a bassline and put some noises on top of that but making a new tune is another story that needs time,talent and the right equipment and because not anyone can make good music those that fail make their own thing,create their own scene and invent new names every day like 'dark psy','evil psy','twisted psy' and i dont know what.
Either do it right or dont do it at all.
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 16:36
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hahahah
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| And yes Koxbox,Hallucinogen,Etnica and the rest dont release too much SIMPLY BECAUSE MAKING A TRACK TAKES TIME and not just 3-4 days that most of your mentioned artists need in order to make a tune,i cant explain the fact that they seem to have a new tune every week and on every new 'dark psy' compilation.
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remember how many compilations were released back when goa was in reign?
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| So like someone correctly mentioned before its easy to get a kick and a bassline and put some noises on top of that but making a new tune is another story that needs time,talent and the right equipment and because not anyone can make good music those that fail make their own thing,create their own scene and invent new names every day like 'dark psy','evil psy','twisted psy' and i dont know what.
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good and bad music is in every genre
for example i think that Etnica - Chrome and Etnica- Sharp are aweful.
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listen and return.[oh, btw he was working on that album for more than 1,5 year i think.. not sure though]
I MYSELF said that i am bored of most of dark psy and that all sound very similar [ same thing in full on]and i only like few releases that i find to be intelligent. Try not to dictate others' people taste and let them listen to anything they like, you are not the only ones to classify whether an artist has telent or whether what he makes is music or not.
Were you bitching in the past too about arists such as The Delta or X-Dream, that did something different?
Should I also suppose you don't like Shaolin Wooden Men, Squaremeat, Texas Faggott, Psyko Disko, and consider it "random noise" as well
What about Opsis - Time Means Nothing
This is talentless dark crap too eh?
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 17:55
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Ok, back to the topic.
Can some who is into weird trance explain what is it that they like about it? I mean how the fu@k can you tell which tune is which? Can you hum the tune in your mind when you are at work? Is it possible to hum sweeping weird noises? That must be proper fuck!ng weird like!
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 18:25
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Psychedelia is about weirdness Psychedelia is about surreal and undescribable..
Kox Box/Psychopod had released some pretty much weird psychedelic back then
from what i've been told some people here in Athens in a kox box live enough years ago, were like "What fucking crap are they playing", while the guys were spinning top psychedelia...
Anywayz
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harry potthead
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 18:30
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no friend i can't tell you! you mast make your own judge,and the only one who can tell you what is nice is your ears!!!!!
if you don't like that music it is ok but hell,there are plenty of artists that make very good music& from the dark scene i will sugest to you to try to hier TERMINATOR,PARA HALU,GRAPES OF WRATH,DEJAN,COSMO and maybe you will find sthng that feets you...
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 19:05
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On 2006-02-15 18:25, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
Psychedelia is about weirdness Psychedelia is about surreal and undescribable..
Kox Box/Psychopod had released some pretty much weird psychedelic back then
from what i've been told some people here in Athens in a kox box live enough years ago, were like "What fucking crap are they playing", while the guys were spinning top psychedelia...
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Psychedelia is first of all very subjective. Imo its about musical progressions that stimulate the mind and unheard of before soundscapes, which is different to saying that psychedelia is about weirdness. Anyway, like I said I am not here to convert the people that like weird music, I am simply looking for another point of view to understand what is it that they like.
You are free to like what you like, but please, do not compare Kox Box with the artists you mentioned earlier, especially if you do appreciate production qualities of engineering and musicality, because your credibility is going out the window.
Harry I did listen to some of the artists you mentioned. I am not looking for answers by listening to their tunes, because the more samples I listen, the more I get confused as to why someone would voluntarily relate his/her psyche to such raw weirdness, let alone actually produce it. That is why I am asking other people to say what they like about it.
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 19:36
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Of course psychedelia is subjective , i agree.
But obviously psychedelic experiences are also weird experiences , no?
and psychedelic art always had very much in common with surrealism[that's another think ok forget it]
of course it doesnt mean that anything weird is psychedelic. weirdness might have its limits too and lots of times, especially in IDM music genre i wonder "WTF this is so plain weird".
Kox Box / Psychopod are one of my favourite old skool psychedelic artists. I would most definitely prefer listening to them than todays dark psy
But I am startled since you dont think kox box/psychopod releases were WEIRD for their ERA?
But i would suggest you to listen to Procs, i think you'll appreciate it's musicality and storytelling.. probably.
Kox box and e.g Derango cannot be compared.
Similarly you can't compare Kox Box with Autechre or Aphex Twin or Vangelis.
Should we also compare Kox Box to Pink Floyd?? I hope you get my point
In terms of music as i said i prefer kox box/psychopod over derango.
Production-wise.. well derango or procs relased their latest albums in 2005... kox box released music @ around 95-99+ .. mastering wise and production wise the over sound engineering of derango is better and that's not subjective as i said.
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| Harry I did listen to some of the artists you mentioned. I am not looking for answers by listening to their tunes, because the more samples I listen, the more I get confused as to why someone would voluntarily relate his/her psyche to such raw weirdness, let alone actually produce it. That is why I am asking other people to say what they like about it. |
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THE INFINITY PROJECT - FEELING WEIRD
1995 - TIP RECORDS
Do you like it??
hah , it's weird that you mention this "weirdness" topic. funny thing is most people that dont listen to psychedelic trance in general would find most of psy goa/trance very weird music.
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 19:43
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What I personally like is that I find this kind of electronic dance music to be the most psychoactive for me at the time. I used to listen also to goa and techno, which I also find psychoactive. Through that I mean that they affect my psyche the most when I am listening to them in a party. And telling that it is all just nonsense is not such a strong argument. Reminds to me the comments of other dance music fans in Greece against psychedelic trance in general earlier and also today.
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