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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 06:12
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On 2006-02-10 21:25, tim-X-treme wrote:
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On 2006-02-10 18:19, ocelot wrote:
i think the current e-mafia scene in the prog/full on scenes is VERY dark. there is nothing more sick or disgusting than this dirty feeling of commercial cheapness and plastic melodies.
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Ups!! hold your horses man. some ppl developed a unique style and some others made a serious promoting effort. No need to mention wich artists and labels... I guess all of us know them ... Commercial or not i don't give a f**ck. As long as ppl are having fun i don't realy see what's wrong about it.
And what is this e-mafia comment? can you explain please?
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listen man. don't get offended. i'm just telling you exactly how i see it.
if you take insult thats your choice and reflects your inability to handle what i'm saying.
here is the path a trance scene takes on its way to degeneration:
1)ecstasy and coke are popular versus lsd.
2) parties have gone indoors- into nightclubs like mainstream events and out of the squats and warehouses.
3) music tastes reflect the two above statements.
i feel that full-on and progressive- having been around since about 2001 and 1998 respectively, worldwide have degenerated into commercial scenes. i think the dark music is not far behind but its still more underground currently.
man i make lots of kinds of music. i have a totally melodic progressive morning album coming out soon. i see a lot of different kinds of parties all over the world.
if i hear a party is being put on involving dark music this has often meant a more underground party.
this is changing as the dark music becomes more and more popular worldwide.
it is becoming more mainstream- the parties are moving indoors, the drugs change...
etc...
i rest my case
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tim@motion
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 10:24
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Hello there ocelot.
So it is a drug war afterall. Now i got your point.
Anyway about parties and stuff i think that psytrance in general is a subgenre of the original trance music, started back on 1992-93.
Therefore IMO it is kind of utopic to strugle about "underground" and warehouses since this dance music has it's roots back in to the clubs.
Ofcourse the word underground can be defined by a scale ranging from punk rock to even dirty house clubing. This goes according to anyones opinion and feeling, regarding the subject "underground".
And one last thing to put things straight (according always to my opinion)
xtc coce AND lsd are the path to heroin and are popular versus brain balance and development. Either in clubs or forests or beaches or stadiums or schools the outcome is ironicly possitive for the dance scene.
We entered in to an age of "druged businesmen" "druged teachers" "druged house wifes" "druged priests" and the list goes on. We are no more the exclusively "bad druged ravers" and this is a progress. Eventualy, moving away from warehouses and redefining our roots things became more simple. Only "uga uga" movements can hurt us...but they are under control...at least in where i leave 
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Posted : Feb 11, 2006 12:44
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For me a good party must have all the kinds of music ambient,prog,full on,dark-twisted,chill out.I prefer dark-twisted sounds more but also have a lot of minimal tracks that makes me feel a lot of things when i hear them.No it's not all about drugs but drugs it's a very big part of your music choise,i cant be on coce and listen a 150bpm track or be on acid and listen 140bpm track.It's all mater of taste and mood.But a quetion spin in my mind where is psychedelia in coce?????????????????????????????
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ocelot
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Posted : Feb 12, 2006 05:26
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hey this is true.
my personal opinion is that every style can be done 'properly' and if it is done well - if the music itself is deep and rich- then its quite nice at the right time.
one of the things about being a human is we try to 'short-cut' our way to happiness by making little mental boxes that represent what we think are replicable patterns:
for example: "well i really liked this dj's set and s/he was playing XYZ style music therefore if i listen to XYZ style music i will always have music of the quality i associate with XYZ style due to the set i heard"
the problem is there is no shortcut to saying what is "good" music- a variety of things contribute to whether a particular track is great or not- including the time played and placement of the track in a set.
now on to the issue of what makes the best vibe at a party- this is whatever makes the people at the party happy and dancing etc....
i happen to like deep sounds and i hate to say it like this but 'intelligent' music in terms of sophisticated harmonic tonal and melodic development... i tend to like these qualities across the board- even if we are talking about straight up house music, which i dont spend much time listening to these days i guess...
i do think the there are various levels of complexity involving listening to trance music and a lot of the bitching and arguing going on in various forums has to do with the constant evolution in taste a person goes through as they listen to music over time...
we go through periods of being into this or that style- but the fact remains its pretty hard to define whats a 'good' track in that our tastes vary, yet there's for sure something in each style that would please us if we happened to hear it...
by the way i dont believe in formalized styles- there's a kick drum, a bassline humming away setting the key of the song, and there's a bunch of stuff on top- this stuff on top is what makes all the difference...
now i wonder- in greece-
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On 2006-02-11 12:44, elves wrote:
For me a good party must have all the kinds of music ambient,prog,full on,dark-twisted,chill out.I prefer dark-twisted sounds more but also have a lot of minimal tracks that makes me feel a lot of things when i hear them.No it's not all about drugs but drugs it's a very big part of your music choise,i cant be on coce and listen a 150bpm track or be on acid and listen 140bpm track.It's all mater of taste and mood.But a quetion spin in my mind where is psychedelia in coce?????????????????????????????
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 03:38
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Dark psychedelic is not necessarily fast, or aggresive.
take for example Procs - Stuck In The Oven With Me
Great, high quality story-telling psychedelic, dark feeling...
But i am bored of the "typical dark(?)/"dark" psy " released nowadays.. all these VA collections sounding the same etc..
So, to people that say "dark" is just about "noises"..
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Derango - Tumult
Para Halu - The World Of Peace
Procs - Stuck In The Oven With Me
Gregh On Earth - Sigilweaver
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As for the general party situation in greece...
fullon is the most dominant, unfortunately..
and unfortunately they seem to bring "big names" only..
correct me if i am wrong, but why not bring good,talented, even FAMOUS artist in the SCENE to perform? Para Halu, Droidlock, Procs, Derango[he came last year and i heard the club has half-empty... go figure..\], Electrypnose, Alienated Buddha
Oldskool Psychedelic Goa: No dj plays it in greece, as far as i know.. true? On the contrary in Belgium or Sweden there have been some pretty much good psychedelic goa parties...
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sorry but that's just bullshit.
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sungroup
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 09:27
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On 2006-02-15 03:38, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
sorry but that's just bullshit.
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Is it? Isn't it true that after a long period of acid and xtc plenty of users find peace of mind with preza? Just asking cause i know many of them already junkies...
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 09:34
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On 2006-02-15 03:38, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
correct me if i am wrong, but why not bring good,talented, even FAMOUS artist in the SCENE to perform? Para Halu, Droidlock, Procs, Derango[he came last year and i heard the club has half-empty... go figure..], Electrypnose, Alienated Buddha
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""Para Halu, Droidlock, Procs, Derango"" These are good artists???
Na be i na min be ????? |
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 09:36
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On 2006-02-15 09:27, sungroup wrote:
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On 2006-02-15 03:38, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
sorry but that's just bullshit.
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Is it? Isn't it true that after a long period of acid and xtc plenty of users find peace of mind with preza? Just asking cause i know many of them already junkies...
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come to mama 
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diskonekt
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 09:48
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On 2006-02-15 03:38, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
Dark psychedelic is not necessarily fast, or aggresive.
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Agreed 100% and it works both ways :
Fast or aggresive psychedelic is NOT necessarily dark.
An 120 bpm track can be dark as hell while an 155 bpm one can be pumping without any dark elements.
Many people tend to think that every track above 148 bpm with a bassline playing in every note is called dark psy... u know putting all tracks in the same basket ...
In the end , it's not about what the bpm counter reads , but about the music itself ..
cheers 
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 12:58
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DETOX
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 13:56
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On 2006-02-15 03:38, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
Derango he came last year and i heard the club was half-empty... go figure
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I'm preety sure there was a good reason for that LOL
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 13:59
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On 2006-02-15 03:38, nick_InZoMNiAC wrote:
So, to people that say "dark" is just about "noises"..
check...
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I don't think you are going to get anywhere by referencing music that sounds like a wall of random noise to certain people. Its like marmite, some people love it, some hate it.
But I am interested to see your point of view. Tell me what you hear in those tunes, cause all I hear a fast 16th bassline covered by a thick crust of dissonant effects and noises. I am not arguing whether that is a "spiritually correct" enviroment for you to trip, I am just saying besides the monotonous 16th bassline, there is no driving percussion, there are no hooks. Bare in mind that when I say there are no hooks I don't mean that it should be ultra-thick-bubllegum-cheese-melodies Protoculture style, just a nice balance of dark atmospheres and musical elements to grab on to.
If you ask me, there is nothing "dark" about those tunes. They're just extremely weird. I am not surprised these artists play to half empty dancefloors. Me>You |
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 14:00
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On 2006-02-15 12:58, dark_elf wrote:
and who's good for u otherside? tell us just that we hv an idea
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Suria,Shift,Penta,Sirius Isness etc
a and Skazi 
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 14:28
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On 2006-02-15 14:00, other side wrote:
a and Skazi
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This topic has officially hit rock bottom 
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nick_InZoMNiAC
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Posted : Feb 15, 2006 14:58
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almost all junkies have done acid and E and pot and ... and ...
but not all acidheads or E-heads turn out to be junkies.
Some of them MIGHT , but it's not because of the acid or E. It's because of them.
This reminds me the old opinion that "Hash leads to heroin"...
which is simply untrue
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i only like Shift and Penta from the above mentioned.. have heard much of suria and sirius isness
Skazi? hahaha ok and what does he have to do with dark again??
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Yes they are IMO.
oh, btw let's not forget about Battle Of The Future Buddhas, Ka-Sol and Schlabbaduerst Rekords generally That's underground...
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| I don't think you are going to get anywhere by referencing music that sounds like a wall of random noise to certain people. Its like marmite, some people love it, some hate it.
But I am interested to see your point of view. Tell me what you hear in those tunes, cause all I hear a fast 16th bassline covered by a thick crust of dissonant effects and noises. I am not arguing whether that is a "spiritually correct" enviroment for you to trip, I am just saying besides the monotonous 16th bassline, there is no driving percussion, there are no hooks. Bare in mind that when I say there are no hooks I don't mean that it should be ultra-thick-bubllegum-cheese-melodies Protoculture style, just a nice balance of dark atmospheres and musical elements to grab on to.
If you ask me, there is nothing "dark" about those tunes. They're just extremely weird. I am not surprised these artists play to half empty dancefloors |
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half empty dancefloors only in greece
I agree, some love it some hate it...
I also find like.. 75% of what is released to be boring, unoriginal, and not innovative..oh, and not dark.. just hard,fast and aggresive
But have you heard Procs latest album?? It's quite atmospheric and has lots of musical elements and details...
Derango's style is also unique.. Derango - Tumult being a great album of 2005 IMO
These swedish dudes take you straight to the forest. Bouncy kicks, weird FX, few but nice melodies and great production quality.
Maybe give a few albums some more listens ??
also about the bassline.. I prefer the "typical dark" bassline to a "typical full-on" bassline..
Trance music in general is about trance.. a repetitive monotonous bassline can easily and fast achieve that, and induce a trance state along with the kick or other repetitive sounds..
Of course my favourite style of psychedelic trance was old school psychedelic / psychedelic goa, where basslines were rich and multi-layered, with many mid-bass sounds around them and such..
But, what can we do
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