aciduss
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Posted : Jul 27, 2011 18:22
Very interesting texts indeed.
Could someone clarify this?
In Article 02 he talks about compressors and the kick triggering the comp but he doesn't mention sidechain compression anywhere so I think he must be talking about straight compression on a groove, right? Or is he talking about sidechain?
I got confused because how he talks about the kick triggering the comp. I assume it has to be with the kick being the loudest peak in a given beat so is the sound starting the comp process. Am i right?
If it is the case... then it's a real eye opener for me... after a long time reading about compressors I'm just beginning to understand the many possibilities of this process since it can be applied in many situations with many different results possible. So far I knew about sidechain comp, using comps to accent transients or to remove peaks but even I had read about this pump on groove technique I didn't really understand it til now...
Thanks for links PoM.
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Posted : Jul 27, 2011 18:47
yes man it s that,just a compressor on the master no sidechain (but you can use a sidechain filter on the compressor if there is one, it may help)
the kick will trigger the compressor and everyhting else will pump a little acording to this but it s subbtle, it can also glue and give that feeling of sounding more like a record.
if you wanna try i suggest you often bypass the compressor to fine tune things cause it can make you less precise sometimes..
you can set your comp setting with just the kick playing... bassically what you can do is insteed of using a compressor on the kick chanel you put it on the master bus with the same setting.
how good it work wil ldepend a lot of the comp used and the kind of tune imo it might work better for slower tempo .
maybe using sidechain could give better result for pump.. the kick trigering the compression on everything else but i think you won t get the same glue and sound like a record feel.
psp mastercomp is a good bus comp ! might work well ,i havent tried it on fast tempo so can t tell much but it can have a really nice sound imo .. or i would check urs or ssl api kind of stuff,some vca comps or emu usualy work good for this .
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Posted : Jul 27, 2011 18:51
So much dance. Thnks!
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Posted : Jul 27, 2011 19:18
for psy you need a comp that is not too slow for this and pump well ,some give you more rms and make stuff sound better at same time but use subbtle..
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Posted : Jul 27, 2011 20:12
What kind of compressor is better for this task?
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Posted : Jul 27, 2011 21:55
try ur favorites one to see if they work ,you can try these too, easy to set up and get good sound ,duende bus comp ,uad 4k should do the trick,with these it s almost impossible to make something sounding bad ! just few knobs so easy to find what setting sound the best .
(i rarely use the duende now cause even it s good i always have one of my other compressor that beat it for master but they are more complicated to set up,with sidechain filters, parrallel,knee ,timings.. carrefull tweaking ... with the ssl kind of plugs you tweak and it sound ok, more instant gratification and less chance to fuck everyhting)
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Posted : Jul 28, 2011 05:16
on this tune you can hear it to the extreme lol but i think the release is set longuer so the compression "retrigger" every 2 kicks ,that much i find it s not suited at all for psytrance ,except if you wanna go experimental.. no rule.
i m listening on my crappy headphone can t hear much but i would not be surpised if the comp is driven and/or use agressive settings to saturate and color the sound giving the nice caractere.
for techno saturating and abusing compressors was the same discovery as the first time i used a delay and a reverb for psytrance lol but time changed these day lot of techno sound clean and have lost that dirty sound ! pussies lol
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Posted : Jul 28, 2011 13:58
@Vermeee:
No worries my post was mainly to illustrate that in many cases it´s a complex issue that is not easily dissected unless all the pieces of the puzzle are in front of you. Some recordings are simply just more hot (and lack dynamics, it is after all electronic dance music). Also a lot of "mastering" in this genre relies heavily on cheap plug ins that cannot deliver the loudness without distortion that dedicated tools can. it´s a careful compromise and a very thin line between one or the other
Mastering available here:
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