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Grandfather of all Frequency Tunings
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 18:39
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yes..that is very convincing PoM ,with that harmonics and some drums etc - makes good sense to me.I havent tried that Bob Method so far but apart from it I'll more rely on my ears again.
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 20:32
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well ,i as i had the same question about to sync the freq in bass line with the rythm of the beat, and the leads make well mix with the freqs of bass,drums and everything else,
meanning the right key.!!!!
understand this, iam working in bass line which means note-G0,freq(hz)-24.50,wavelenght(cm)1400.
i match for playing and sound well the first armonic thats it's
Note-G1,freq(hz)49.00,wavelenght(cm)704. so one octave up!! does not it?
.. also i playing with the third in scale G mayor
G A B C D E F# G
note-B0,freq(hz)-30.87wave lenght(cm)110.
G0 - 24.50hz - 1400cm.
G#0/Ab0 - 25.96hz - 1320cm.
A0 - 27.50hz - 1250cm.
A#0/Bb0 - 29.14hz - 1180cm.
B0 - 30.87hz - 1110cm.
C1 - 32.70hz - 1050cm.
C#1/Db1 - 34.65hz - 996cm.
D1 - 36.71hz - 940cm.
D#1/Eb1 - 38.89hz - 887cm.
E1 - 41.20hz - 837cm.
F1 - 43.65hz - 790cm.
F#1/Gb1 - 46.25hz - 746cm.
G1 - 49.00hz - 704cm.
that here it's where i need the necessity of look and learn about equalizating,boost the freq that the spectrum aanalyzer menas that will be sound better in G0 G0 24.50 1400.
because iam working in the scale of G mayor,
killing out fo course all sub bass(less than 80 hz)..so now i am having the felling that i need to know more about!!! so what could it be. no!! it's what i doing now.! let me know if iam wrong in my knowlegde!!
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 22:36
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Everything will sound good in the end if you do a little math before you start your track...
Say you want to program a track with the root note being an F. You would start by synthesizing your Kick drum at 43.65 Hz, and your bass on either the next one or two steps up. (87.31 or 174.6) depending on what your doing with it afterwords. This will make the kick and bassline sit very nice together in the mix.
From then on, anything you add into the song (vst, effects, instruments.... anything you use) Should be tuned to the "master tuning" your using.
Think of it as your assembling a symphony orchestra, and every instrument you want to add (violin, cello, drums, brass... etc) has to be "tuned" when they walk onstage and take there seat. If even one violin isn't tuned out of say 30..., your going to hear it but not know exactly where it's coming from unless you do process of elimination which takes time.
If you get into the habit of tuning averything as soon as you load it, it will make for much faster track assembly, and a better mix in the end. Eqing and mastering will be much less effortless.
This also includes "tuning" where filters open and close, chorus, delays, whatever.
I use these calculators before I start any work and write everything down for quick reference.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-period.htm
http://www.olscratchrecordings.com/note_to_frequency_conversion.htm
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 22:55
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 00:50
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On 2010-02-13 22:36, SCircuit wrote:
Everything will sound good in the end if you do a little math before you start your track...
Say you want to program a track with the root note being an F. You would start by synthesizing your Kick drum at 43.65 Hz, and your bass on either the next one or two steps up. (87.31 or 174.6) depending on what your doing with it afterwords. This will make the kick and bassline sit very nice together in the mix.
From then on, anything you add into the song (vst, effects, instruments.... anything you use) Should be tuned to the "master tuning" your using.
Think of it as your assembling a symphony orchestra, and every instrument you want to add (violin, cello, drums, brass... etc) has to be "tuned" when they walk onstage and take there seat. If even one violin isn't tuned out of say 30..., your going to hear it but not know exactly where it's coming from unless you do process of elimination which takes time.
If you get into the habit of tuning averything as soon as you load it, it will make for much faster track assembly, and a better mix in the end. Eqing and mastering will be much less effortless.
This also includes "tuning" where filters open and close, chorus, delays, whatever.
I use these calculators before I start any work and write everything down for quick reference.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-period.htm
http://www.olscratchrecordings.com/note_to_frequency_conversion.htm
Cheers!
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i don't think you need to tune everything. i'm not even sure if it's necessary to tune the kick to the bassline. sometimes analyzers can tell you that something in tune, but you know it's not. you know there is no harmony, and when the sounds play together it's unpleasent and from the other hand sometimes the sounds are not in tune but how care? it's sounds good....
i still use analyzers from time to time.. but for tuning, i don't think i can trust them so much. |
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dija
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 01:52
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When creating bassdrum say that my song is in the key of A. I create a sine wav at 55hz then i pitch down in sound forge to create the bassdrum. then the root of the bass is at 55hz. so the bottom end of the kick is 55hz and then the bass hits at 55hz. this works somewhat well. you can also play with things like making the kick a fifth above the bass etc.
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SCircuit
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 04:40
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On 2010-02-14 00:50, dj chichke wrote:
i don't think you need to tune everything. i'm not even sure if it's necessary to tune the kick to the bassline. sometimes analyzers can tell you that something in tune, but you know it's not. you know there is no harmony, and when the sounds play together it's unpleasent and from the other hand sometimes the sounds are not in tune but how care? it's sounds good....
i still use analyzers from time to time.. but for tuning, i don't think i can trust them so much.
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Analyzers are useful for fine tuning, but I don't use them very often and end up staring at them watching it bounce for waaay too long.... 
In the end your ears are the best tool to dial in and make it sound good, but tuning everything before hand, saves a lot of time. And then tweek away. If you look at some of your numbers and then the formulas, I'd be willing to bet they end up pretty close to whatever increment that note is being played (5th, sus4th, etc.) There are other factors like detuning LFO's and then compensating somewhere else to pitch correct it.
That's the beauty of psytrance though. There are so many factors in getting it to sound good in the end.
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 14:07
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i dont like analyzers at all, i keep the musical facts in mind like frequency of the note, frequency according to bpm, note according to bpm etc..... i just keep that in mind, working from the beginning with these notes and harmonical ones according to the root and start off... everything after is just tweaking in my case. no analiyzers, only trust my ears and my brain... 
i dunno if i got your problem right dominik, so if you wanna know how to pitch down from 57hz note to 55hz you could easily try to put it down centwards. one octave is devided in 1200 cents, one semitone is 100 cents.
so if you think about you just have to calculate how many "semitones" or hz you wanna shift down/up and go for it.
for some better understanding maybe have a look here, i tune all my stuff this way, to reach some more detailed tuning:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_(Musik)
know that you´re german =D so to all others just change the language on the right to your desired 
cheers, hope that kinda helps, sorry for my explaining french...
stephan
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 14:51
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Stephan this post is awesome mate!
I knew that a range of a note is 100 cent (at least in our sistem without quater tones) but somehow after reading that post of you 
Now I know what to do 
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 15:13
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On 2010-02-14 14:07, -=Mandari=- wrote:
i dont like analyzers at all, i keep the musical facts in mind like frequency of the note, frequency according to bpm, note according to bpm etc..... i just keep that in mind, working from the beginning with these notes and harmonical ones according to the root and start off... everything after is just tweaking in my case. no analiyzers, only trust my ears and my brain...
i dunno if i got your problem right dominik, so if you wanna know how to pitch down from 57hz note to 55hz you could easily try to put it down centwards. one octave is devided in 1200 cents, one semitone is 100 cents.
so if you think about you just have to calculate how many "semitones" or hz you wanna shift down/up and go for it.
for some better understanding maybe have a look here, i tune all my stuff this way, to reach some more detailed tuning:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_(Musik)
know that you´re german =D so to all others just change the language on the right to your desired
cheers, hope that kinda helps, sorry for my explaining french...
stephan
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although i said i don't think there is need to tune everything. i would like to know please if you tune everything to your route note so how do you do it? what is the best way to tune things? |
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 16:36
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although i said i don't think there is need to tune everything. i would like to know please if you tune everything to your route note so how do you do it? what is the best way to tune things?
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Your ears.
I just started numerically tuning everything I loaded, a few months ago and it made a significant improvement in the end quality of my mixes, as well as save time. "Fine" tuning takes knob tweaking and your ears. If you spend say 10 mins at the start of the track and figure out all your values to reference them. It could save hours of knob tweaking. It give you a "ballpark figure" of where it's going to be around.
If you had a band in a studio, and the guitar, bass, and all the drums were tuned properly except one tom, I bet every time the drummer hit that out of tune tom, you'd be able to hear it. The overtones and out of tune frequencies will clash, or cancel out good stuff and it will stand out more. The same thing applies with virtual instruments.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 17:10
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although i said i don't think there is need to tune everything. i would like to know please if you tune everything to your route note so how do you do it? what is the best way to tune things?
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Your ears.
I just started numerically tuning everything I loaded, a few months ago and it made a significant improvement in the end quality of my mixes, as well as save time. "Fine" tuning takes knob tweaking and your ears. If you spend say 10 mins at the start of the track and figure out all your values to reference them. It could save hours of knob tweaking. It give you a "ballpark figure" of where it's going to be around.
If you had a band in a studio, and the guitar, bass, and all the drums were tuned properly except one tom, I bet every time the drummer hit that out of tune tom, you'd be able to hear it. The overtones and out of tune frequencies will clash, or cancel out good stuff and it will stand out more. The same thing applies with virtual instruments.
In the end it's your ears though.....
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you didn't understand my question. i was meaninng to ask with which tool you tune things? sampler? or some plugin?
i don't think the drummer know or care about the tune of his drums. i don't think that the note of the snare have to fit to the key of the bassline. and i'm not even sure if the note of the kick have to fit to the bassline even tough i tune them to fit together. i might be wrong though. i need to check it more. |
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 17:15
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dj chichke if you work in cubase there are options of finetuning and transpose you can change the frequency and note of any selected file with it.
Statistics may give a starting point about what frequency the file has.
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SCircuit
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Posted : Feb 14, 2010 17:32
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you didn't understand my question. i was meaninng to ask with which tool you tune things? sampler? or some plugin?
i don't think the drummer know or care about the tune of his drums. i don't think that the note of the snare have to fit to the key of the bassline. and i'm not even sure if the note of the kick have to fit to the bassline even tough i tune them to fit together. i might be wrong though. i need to check it more.
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Learning how to tune your instrument is one of the first things you should learn how to do when picking it up. I've played the guitar, drums, bass, and violin for just over 22 years, and have been involved in numerous metal studio projects, and I can tell you from experience, that if the drummer doesn't care about how his drums are tuned, and acclimatized to the studio temperature and humidity before you hit the record button, your going to be wasting a lot of time and money and end up with an awful sound.
When I said earlier to tune your kick to the bass, it doesn't have to be the same "note", but if your writing a song in the root of A Mixolydian (blues) scale, you have the notes A B C# D E F# G A. so your kick can be tuned to A (55 Hz) your bass can be on the root note of A (110 or 220 Hz) or you can change it to B (123.5 Hz) or whatever "feel" you want to give the song. It doesn't have to be on an A, it was a generalized example.
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dj chichke
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Posted : Feb 15, 2010 00:21
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On 2010-02-14 17:15, TimeTraveller wrote:
dj chichke if you work in cubase there are options of finetuning and transpose you can change the frequency and note of any selected file with it.
Statistics may give a starting point about what frequency the file has.
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do you mean to the option of regular transpose off cubase? i don't think it's high quality transpose. the sound fucked up from it... |
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