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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 17:26:22
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Ok,I have enough of disharmony of frequencies maybe some of you can share some help if it is not too much.
Please do not recommend MElodyne etc.Keep it simple and usefull and nice for cpu or just practical.
How to bring my bassline into the right key?
Or how to bring a loop into a perticular key?
Is it enough to tune only the click sound of the basskick - so it is ok to let kick as it is and on another channel tune just the top end or mid click to the desired frequency ?
Is a transpose of +2 or -2 a whole tone above or under? And why than in statistics there is no change??
I don't know what to belief in regarding those statistics.
I make strange observations about this statistics , the same file has mostly a different result of statistics in cubase than in wavelab.
For instance I have a bassline in c# (only c# shame on me ) and with a bit of eq it is in cubase E1 ....ftw... and the same part with same eq settings in Wavelab is B0 -30cents...ftw..
I feel lost there and I know I have to tune all what is possible to get more harmony.
So what are the easiest methods?
And how to tune an audio tone or a whole loop? And all more what is useful for tha grandfather of tunings.Cheers
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Nectarios
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:02
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I just use my ears. I generally get most of my drum loops from Apple Loops, which is like the Recycle of Apple, but you can transpose/pitch shift stuff in real time as well.
But I don't get what you mean by "bring your bassline into the right key"?
Don't you write the music based on the scale/root frequency of your bassline?
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antidentity
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:05
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find a hz to notes conversion chart...it should be really easy to find one if you google it.. that might help some. also when it comes to finding the right harmony on everything playing together at once you're ears are the best tool you have.
also, try to design every instrument it's own pocket of strong frequencies in the sound so that everything sounds isolated from one another. |
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antidentity
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:08
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another interesting conversion formula that is useful in sound design is this: Hz * 60 = bpm
it doesn't have as much to do with what you are asking, but since its the granddaddy of all frequency tunings i figured i share =] |
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antidentity
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:11
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oops i said something here that was wrong so i erased it >< |
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ohshit
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:37
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partially OT but i've found interesting this formula:
2^(n/12)· f_ref
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f_ref = freq. reference (i.e. 440 Hz)
n = distance in semi-tones from the reference (i.e. B is 2 semitones from A)
so, with A=440 Hz will be
2^(2/12)· 440 = 1,1225 · 440 = 493,9 Hz
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:38
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:43
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I mean to the desired note..If I want to have c# than I am speechless when after all action the statistics tell me it is somehting completely else..
I mean of course the note in the piano roll is cis but the statistics information shows sth completely else.
Ok I make all by ear,and now with better speakers it makes more sense but I feel really c onfused when seeing all my files at different avarage moods so to say...even if I think all should be ok before analysing.
I more experiment with all kinds of basslines (wabble basslines,melody basslines and more into different things (experymentz),normally I dont notice such problems,cause of many notes probably ,and of course I deal with scales ,I just tend for now to go back a few steps to understand more .But now as I have only c'- which is for sure not to make an tune but more for a easy example of my confict- I feel like sth is generaly not as it should be when seeing different results.
And about formulas,thousands of charts etc a 55 hz A multiply this and that.Very nice..but lets keep it simply and practical,not theoretical or philosphical ,we all know it now for ages.
I can make sinewaves in soundforge or anthing at diesired freq with the right tools,but it ends up with sth else an other note than planed .So Just thaught I need to have to total control of this prob,and an easy method..not theory,a controll for it before I start to deep dive into scales and multiple melodies.
When seein all fundamental elements at different keys it seems to me like this is the stop for yu for now.
If I have a loop and its on a+ ,bass on e1 and kick on something else so I think I have to solve it out before making more chaos.
After looking on John Fleming tutorials I once more realized that tuning is the way ,if it should be not too simple.
Thanks people ..but Im afraid I need a tool,I have some datas even in memory ..but that does not solve the tuning how to.
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ohshit
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:44
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:50
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This is basically what I do on every bassline that I make, although Logic's Linear Phase EQ has this ring in very high Q settings. Its almost as if you can hear some frequencies around the notch being delayed to the rest.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 18:54
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that video is interesting.. I will try that.And if it wont work than I make all with ears and probably look on statistics only for db and rms than.
A light plug in where one can set the freq would be great.
Or if just the statistics would show the note than combo of transpose and finetuning could be a way.But I only hear that it sound different while the stats show the same as before.
Ok enuff of my cheeba writings for now.Thx to all.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2010 19:06
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On 2010-02-12 18:54, TimeTraveller wrote:
that video is interesting.. I will try that.And if it wont work than I make all with ears and probably look on statistics only for db and rms than.
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That's the spirit. FFT tools are good, but training your ears is learning to use the best tool at your disposal.
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ohshit
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 03:07
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 03:43
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I'm not sure if key is the right term that I used in my previous cheeba posts,I ment to alter the pitch I think.For example if I'd have a 57,sth hz tone how do I pitch down to 55 .Anyhowz,Good Night and tingz
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PoM
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Posted : Feb 13, 2010 17:55
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some drums don t really have a tune, harmonics can be randoms they are in "tune" when it sound good and not when you matched a number or it looks good at a spectrum analyser.
imo for tuning sounds the less you look numbers and spectrum analyszer the more you ll make you life easier by just trusting your ears. |
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