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rich
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Posted : Nov 23, 2010 21:12
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Good time at trance parties for me is so long ago. These days it's good times with my own selections, and that suits my current life just fine.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 24, 2010 11:16
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On 2010-11-23 20:18, willsanquil wrote:
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On 2010-11-23 19:11, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
so nice it was. so nice music also. i dont remember any bad artists from that time. not even one.
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Of course you don't. Parties like that were from over a decade ago.
I guarantee you that there was music put out around that time, maybe even played at some of those good ol' time parties that wasn't particularly awesome.
But why remember mediocre music 10 years down the line?
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15 to 17 years down the line:). of course this is still not " retro" - for instance wikipedia defines retro music as punk rock or psychedelic genres from the 60es. you know, old school trance ( before 1999) is exactly as much retro as belt garters will ever be for erotic underwear.
but this is not what i wanted to say. no, i think maine coon described it very good in the last post - it is probably true that every person had this period once - the freshness of new things, the euphoria of no longer beeing confined, the dreams of unlimited possiblities. until reality kicks you in the ass. and for sure it happened not only in the nineties, it probably happens to freaks even today. although, i am sure they have less expectations about unlimited possiblities. they think it is done with a stupid holiday for rich kids in asia or a nice 200 dollar festival.
about the music - it is not so much about remembering bad sound. it was the effect of new fresh sound which was a mass phenomenon in the trance culture at that time. almost everyone was unique and catchy to remember. and even now, if i open my hard disc with old school sound, i know that whatever i klick, it will be good sound. if i do the same with my prog hard disc, i will look for long and my needs will be satisfied within three or four hours of listening because then there will be nothing ncatchy to hear any more. same with dark. big hype for two years. then more and more same things. nowadays electro is coming up in a hype. same. 5 percent of all sound is catchy to remembr and kicking.
i dont even listen to new sound and i am not even ashamed. it is exactly like the retro of the erotic belt garters. restro is very often the most fashionable thing coming all couple of months again and again. it is the attraction of classical things thath have long life cycles.
and almost, as i stated in another thread which nobody liked, it is alos because of the networks. in those times, we did not know the artists so much. no interviews, no networks. sometimes someone makes great music but if he snaps you in the ass in a forum, you cant listen to the music any more. so yes, i am too young to allow myself to get rid of classical appearance.
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Nov 24, 2010 14:14
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i can bring them back
i just need permission and clearance from my parents
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Xolvexs
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Posted : Nov 24, 2010 14:14
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i can bring them back
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PoM
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Posted : Nov 24, 2010 15:52
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On 2010-11-23 20:18, willsanquil wrote:
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On 2010-11-23 19:11, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
so nice it was. so nice music also. i dont remember anz bad artists from that time. not even one.
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Of course you don't. Parties like that were from over a decade ago.
I guarantee you that there was music put out around that time, maybe even played at some of those good ol' time parties that wasn't particularly awesome.
But why remember mediocre music 10 years down the line?
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yes true but at that time lot of the music was still made by muscians with some musical culture.when i hear the track in the goa gil video or some of the dark psy it s just noise to me , my point is i think there is lot of bad music ,it was the same in the past but the ratio good/bad music was better imo. |
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 24, 2010 19:07
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Probably this is true.
But the overall numbers exploded too.
Let’s say (I am pulling numbers out of my ass, of course)
- In 1995 there were 10 tracks a month released: 5 good ones and 5 bad ones – 50% “goodness quotient”
- In 2010 there are 1000 tracks a month released: 10 good ones and 990 bad ones – 1% “goodness quotient”
Yes, percentage-wise, quality of releases dropped 50-fold.
But you still have twice as many good tracks produced as you did 15 years ago – why not concentrate on that?
There is more crap to wade through today but there is also more awesome tracks to be found. And luckily there is a Reviews forum here and there is Basilisk, who does most of the filtering for you for free.
Download. Listen. Enjoy.
Good Ole Times are not coming back for some of us.
But good music is still out there. 
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 24, 2010 19:42
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But but...i just want to listen to my old goa records and bitch about how there's nothing like that anymore because I am too fucking lazy to search for all the amazing music people are putting out
what now! 
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Zoolog
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Posted : Nov 25, 2010 11:10
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What's the track at around 3:00 in the first video ??? The guitar track, i used to have this... Anybody knows ? 
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moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2010 15:31
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On 2010-11-24 19:07, Maine Coon wrote:
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Let’s say (I am pulling numbers out of my ass, of course)
- In 1995 there were 10 tracks a month released: 5 good ones and 5 bad ones – 50% “goodness quotient”
- In 2010 there are 1000 tracks a month released: 10 good ones and 990 bad ones – 1% “goodness quotient”
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well, let us make a simple market analysis with the help of the psychedelic expander and its database with releases, which might not be completely full but definitely representative.
http://pme.no-ip.org/pme2000/labels_search.asp?strMode=ADV
we compare 1995 and 2005 and state the main differences.
in 1995 there were 309 releases.
in 2005 there were 664 releases.
what do we see.
1. in 1995 there were more ep's and lp's. this tells us mostly one thing. artists did not need to fill the market with full cds of 13 tracks. they could perfectly do it with 3 tracks, which were good. they did not deliver 13 tracks from which only the first two can be heard at all.
2. the number of the va's in 1995 was 75 out of 309.
the number of the va's in 2005 was 335 out of 664. what does this tell us. this tells us that in 2005 we had more people who sat down in a nice studio, that they bought, althought they had no idea about music from the perspective of musicians. then they made tracks and made vas. musicians with their own style were percentually more in 1995.
generally this tells us one things. you see the releases between 1993 and 1998. what do you see. every self respecting trancer will see that he does not know all the music. why not. it is like doing high university mathematics without having gone through the first classes in the school.
find old sound. educate yourself. say thanks to the pioneers:)-
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 25, 2010 16:53
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 25, 2010 17:01
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On 2010-11-25 15:31, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
find old sound. educate yourself. say thanks to the pioneers:)-
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Good idea.
But why stop in the '90s then? Why not stick with the classical or, better yet, with Baroque? Or just listen to Gregorian chants and dismiss anything that came out after 1400 as not worthy. Where does this conservatism end?
P.S. An interesting thought experiment: put your point #1 and point #2 together.
So, instead of releasing a 3-track EP (like they did in '95 - your point 1) people contribute 3 tracks to a VA (your point 2). Suddenly, the big dramatic contrast you painted here disappeared. |
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Nov 25, 2010 18:33
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On 2010-11-25 17:01, Maine Coon wrote:
Good idea.
But why stop in the '90s then? Why not stick with the classical or, better yet, with Baroque? Or just listen to Gregorian chants and dismiss anything that came out after 1400 as not worthy. Where does this conservatism end? |
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No one dismiss anything. There was a lot of great music released after the 90's but mainly in the House and Techno scene (IMO). Not much trance (IMO). Especially not the fullon era!
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moki
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Posted : Nov 25, 2010 20:29
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On 2010-11-25 15:31, Moki.Time.Wave.Zero wrote:
find old sound. educate yourself. say thanks to the pioneers:)-
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Good idea.
But why stop in the '90s then? Why not stick with the classical or, better yet, with Baroque? Or just listen to Gregorian chants and dismiss anything that came out after 1400 as not worthy. Where does this conservatism end?
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to me it does not end with the 90s:). to me it ends with orpheus and the most ancient times. i find, that anyone who wants to have general knowledge about music, has to know the trance of the nineties, as well as bethoven and mozart and the whole history of sound. gregorian chants are great too. actually the trance scene is one of the few places where the most important thing is the release date and not the quality:).
well, it is the only way to be able to distinguish innovations, retro styles, classics. and it will show you also, that lots of the trance artists of nowadays actually "interpret" sound and do not compose sound.
and i used to give lessons on the piano, and i did give hallucinogen to the kids.
but we go too far, i know:). about the second thing. the psychedelic mind expander did not programm the details but i am sure that the main difference between 1995 and 2005 will be that too much names make only one track in only one va. that is what makes it dramatic.
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moki
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Posted : Nov 26, 2010 16:34
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i came back to tell you another fact from my late afternoon coffee market research.
i proved my thesis to be right.
i took the database of the psychedelic mind expander and i chose the letter S, which is as nice as the name shahar to whom the psychedelic expander is saying thanks on the website for the database data.
there are 1100 artists (projects) with this letter in the name.
514 of them made only one track.
we compare again 1995 and 2005.
in 1995 there were 11 artists who release only one track ever. in 2005 there were 31 artists who release only one track.
this proved my thesis.
whatever. databases are a great thing to get a glimpse of the bigger picture. i could play with the artist database for hours if i had faster way to do it with all letters.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 26, 2010 18:34
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Cool research. 
No, there is no need to repeat it with other letters – you demonstrated your point quite nicely. Although, it still doesn’t negate the abundance of good music produced today – but that’s a separate issue.
If you listened to the mainstream US radio in the 90s, you’d think that good old rock – “classic” and heavy metal – disappeared and got completely replaced by grunge and its offshoots (branded collectively as “alternative rock”). The airwaves were full of garbage, including dozens of one-hit wonders and copycats. I very rarely wish bad things for a person (especially one already dead), but there was time I wished that Kurt Cobain’s suicide had happened before he released “Nevermind”. Although, the decade of garbage “rock” would’ve probably happened without him as well.
If you tell me that this is what’s going on in psytrance of today, I’ll believe you, simply because I’ve seen it happen to rock. But often I ask myself: was it really about all that music being crap or was it about me being unhappy all those years? Could it be that I projected my crappy mood on everything around me? Again, the whole times vs music connection comes up here. Something to think about, eh?
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