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Going Digital .... What's wrong ?
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DETOX
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Posted : May 26, 2011 18:57
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You can look a Monet or Van Gogh painting on the museum live or just see the image on the internet.
On the same basis you can own the debut Hallucinogen album in original cd with its box and artwork or just download the tracks from beatport and have the files somewhere in your computer.
The difference and magic between these two situations can only be seen,felt and appreciated by people who really love and understand the arts.
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Posted : May 26, 2011 19:26
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On 2011-05-26 18:57, DETOX wrote:
You can look a Monet or Van Gogh painting on the museum live or just see the image on the internet.
On the same basis you can own the debut Hallucinogen album in original cd with its box and artwork or just download the tracks from beatport and have the files somewhere in your computer.
The difference and magic between these two situations can only be seen,felt and appreciated by people who really love and understand the arts.
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Analogy doesnt apply, since the content is still digital on both CD and audio file. Also the price of a painting speaks of how unique and special it is. Cant say the same for the CD.
And then if the owner of a cd is listening it at a cheap sound systeam and the other guy is using an audiophile system, who is getting the better experience?
Unless of course the package is also art, but very few artwork could get to get that compliment.
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DETOX
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Posted : May 26, 2011 19:45
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And in paintings the content is still visual both on the real painting or a still image on the internet 
Login what i am trying to say here is that a cd is much more that the music it contains,when i get my hands on my old Transwave and Astral Projection albums instantly images and memories come into my mind,its a feeling i cant explain and which hasnt got to do with the audio file itself or even the music itself.
I dont expect many people to understand this ofcourse,and thats why the cd industry is indeed dead because most people dont have emotions for the arts anymore especially in our little scene where most people care about the newest unreleased stuff instead of just good music.
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mk47
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Posted : May 26, 2011 19:49
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On 2011-05-26 18:57, DETOX wrote:
You can look a Monet or Van Gogh painting on the museum live or just see the image on the internet.
On the same basis you can own the debut Hallucinogen album in original cd with its box and artwork or just download the tracks from beatport and have the files somewhere in your computer.
The difference and magic between these two situations can only be seen,felt and appreciated by people who really love and understand the arts.
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go on , fool yourself u a bigger and better fan than the rest of em mp3 creeps , ...... this a weird situation in the industry actually , lets be wisen and waiten for next evolution , thnx !
the world is not morally flawed , the future is free muzix, lul , cd = collector scene , not music lover scene , sorry ..
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Shiranui
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Posted : May 26, 2011 20:08
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On 2011-05-26 19:45, DETOX wrote:
I dont expect many people to understand this ofcourse,and thats why the cd industry is indeed dead because most people dont have emotions for the arts anymore especially in our little scene where most people care about the newest unreleased stuff instead of just good music. |
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Ugh people constantly say the world is getting worse. They've been saying it forever. The world is not getting worse, you are just getting more aware and more jaded! |
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Posted : May 26, 2011 20:41
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I think bringing back the vinyl will sort out this whole cd vs digital dilemma
What Detox feels for CDs, i feel for records.
But, I dont mind having an album on my computer 10 minutes after buying it on a digital store - because, as always, both sides have their pros and cons.
After all, digital is the future i think, no matter how we, old school grandpa's, like the cds or vinyl.
So, for me - there's nothing wrong with going digital, but my favourite still remains - vinyl.
And yes - I have Hallucinogen on vinyl 
How sexy is that?
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DETOX
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Posted : May 26, 2011 21:20
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Vinyl is even more magical than cd's.
I've been to people's houses that have thousands of vinyls and its just majestic to enter a room that is filled with thousands of big covers by the likes of The Doors,Rolling Stones,Police,Phil Collins,Pink Floyd,David Bowie,The Clash,The Smiths and more.
Its like the music history is looking at you through these big covers all scattered around the room.
I really cant describe the feeling.
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Posted : May 26, 2011 21:55
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I know what you mean.
My dad was a jazz musician, so I have his vinyl collection of jazz and classical music, more than thousand records of Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Brubeck, Bach, Vivaldi etc.
Even if you dont listen to it, it gives a certain warmth to the room
Sorry for offtopic.
But even if you are a vinyl or cd freak, you can still like digital as well, as I said - they all have their pros and cons. http://www.myspace.com/shumamusic
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 26, 2011 22:21
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On 2011-05-26 18:57, DETOX wrote:
You can look a Monet or Van Gogh painting on the museum live or just see the image on the internet.
On the same basis you can own the debut Hallucinogen album in original cd with its box and artwork or just download the tracks from beatport and have the files somewhere in your computer.
The difference and magic between these two situations can only be seen,felt and appreciated by people who really love and understand the arts. |
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The comparison between music and a painting is not apt. The painting exists in physical space and can be experienced simply by going there. Recorded music is pure information requiring a delivery mechanism and specialized equipment to enjoy. I think we have to be careful not to fetishize the packaging (although we can acknowledge the subjective importance of the various personal rituals associated with the use and manipulation of physical media).
A musical equivalent of your museum vs Internet photo example would be taping to cassette or 128k MP3 encoding. The information degradation in both cases is noticeable and the listener's experience would suffer. If, however, we were to perform a blind test with playing music from CD vs playing that same music from a hard drive in lossless quality, you would never know the difference. If we're talking about just the music it's exactly the same.
The rest is all subjective associations with personal importance. It's fine to say vinyl or CDs are something special for you... I suppose anyone with some history manipulating this stuff would feel something similar. The point is that these qualities are not intrinsic to physical media; their meaning and significance are whatever you dream up.
As an aside, I dusted off a few sealed boxes of old vinyl and went to play a few on my roommate's turntables last night while a bunch of people were over. It was an interesting experience, mixing records years after I abandoned physical media altogether. Nostalgic, certainly... but more frustrating than fun. It reminded me of the reasons I moved on (first to CDs then to FLAC). With vinyl I find there is so much getting in the way of my direct connection to the music. Still, I understand other perspectives. I was a record collector once upon a time  |
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Posted : May 26, 2011 23:49
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On 2011-05-25 09:15, kazuku wrote:
As an example, lets take a random recent album, lets say V.A - Be Spun for sake of argument.
If I were to buy the CD online I would pay around €9.80.
The download from Beatport in MP3 320 would cost me €18.03. Lets say I would have the audacity to want the download in loss-less quality, I would have to pay a staggering €28.38, which is rediculons 
3 times more than the cd...wtf.
Online shops - differentiate yourself from the pirates/traders through Value (sound!!!)quality and good service and you will sell more.
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Yes. This true. Some online stores have decent pricing, Juno for ex, low prices for 192 and 320, aimed at mostly the listener.
And apparently in the coming months, Beatport has taken notice of the complaints received about high prices for whole compilations, so they gonan introduce lower prices for the whole compilation/album!
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CDreviewsPsy
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Posted : May 26, 2011 23:53
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But my question still is ....
Why are the artists in this scene so reluctant to release digitally ??? Especially the darkpsy ones????
Is it what.... degrading???
CD is like what..... THE TOP OF THE POPS???
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Ascension
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Posted : May 27, 2011 00:25
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I see a lot of dark psy artist releasing mostly digital...
Some labels might be resistant to releasing digital, but I don't see why any artist would object to it. I just don't like to buy digital, I'd release something in a digital store though no question. http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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Nectarios
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Posted : May 27, 2011 00:27
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On 2011-05-26 23:53, CDreviewsPsy wrote:
But my question still is ....
Why are the artists in this scene so reluctant to release digitally ??? Especially the darkpsy ones????
Is it what.... degrading???
CD is like what..... THE TOP OF THE POPS???
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Not talking about darkpsy artists as I am not interetsed in the genre, but generally, psy-trance artists are not reluctant to release digital, from my experience at least.
Peace out.
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Posted : May 27, 2011 02:32
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Whats wrong is both my car and pickup are getting older and neither have inputs for mp3 in factory player.
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Ascension
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Posted : May 27, 2011 03:24
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Digital will rock even more when google music is up and running fully. It's my reason to finally buy a smart phone
On this topic, digital has such a huge advantage by being able to integrated into other social medias (ie- the beaport link on soundcloud tracks). http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound
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