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Going Digital .... What's wrong ?
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CDreviewsPsy
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Posted : May 23, 2011 20:45
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As i see here, from the very little talk, its mostly pro!
Funny how any question, can turn into an argument here.
Why can't we admit that in a few years, CD is gonna be as extinct as the vinyl. As someone notified, its about instant gratification. When u can get it in a few seconds, why do u want to wait for something for a few weeks. Maybe this in the first instance can be a decent solution if not full, to piracy. first and foremost thing, if the music is on CD , its no guarantee that its good!
Heck, some of the good music of late(very little) i've heard has been on singles and Eps rather on CDs. And if the music is no good, then who gives a fying fuck about whether its on CD????
And as somebody pointed out, even with the digital release, you can still ahve the artwork!
Dont tell me, all you people, look at the artwork 24 hrs a day ? U talking as if u go to sleep with the artwork in your hand as if its a baby holding a doll! cmmon gimme a breakkk!
@ Demoniac, all underground genres also dont have more than 10,000 fans for ex. I dont know what you do with digital distribution, but def. market leaders like Beatport or Itunes have definitely a massive presence and exposure... as compared to a Psyshop or Saiko. the latter is not even close. And with features like, following ur fav artist, label on beatport or other stores, it becomes even more easier to follow your favorite acts. So dont go telling me that you cant follow the releases. There is always a CAN, if you want TO!
And for ur info, not every release can make it to such sites, it has be of a certain level (at least production quality), if your talkin about some random basslines and a kick, then you could find a lot of those on some free releases, and not so popular stores.
When for ex, Beatport began, they were not big. Even the big artists selling on Cds back then, sell over there now. They understood, that technology is the key and this is the evolution! Unlike some others, who still are stuck up! there are many undergroudn genres , and 80% of them release this way! Can u prove me wrong ????
and it was good point that somebody raised, that many years back, there was a lot more music being sold, because there were jsut about the right bunch, releasing music ad it was good! Today its so much shit.... So the point still is... the music stil gotta be good.... and it dont matter if its CD or digital...!!
And o wow!!! 500 copiess! amazing..! to at least a minimum of 5000 darkpsy listeners...
man... gimme a breakkk!!
Back to the main question..... which is , why, artists in this scene,... (especially the dark psy one) are so stuck up on releasing only on CDs????
Our music is supposed to be forward thinking and out right futuristic, but yet our thoughts are so 1920s ??????
I demand an answerrRRR!!
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Beat Agency
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Posted : May 23, 2011 21:08
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On 2011-05-23 20:45, CDreviewsPsy wrote:
And for ur info, not every release can make it to such sites, it has be of a certain level (at least production quality), if your talkin about some random basslines and a kick, then you could find a lot of those on some free releases, and not so popular stores.
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I have to correct you here. Ever label or artist can go on Beatport they just have to do it via 3rd part distributors.
Being released on Beatport is not a "stamp of quality" as a whole big pile on Beatport is utterly crap and IMO it should never have been released. But I guess taste is taste and quantity always win. Furthermore being on a Top chart does not mean the music is quality. It just mean that Beatport favorite certain labels and artists (the top commercial ones who have enough money to pay Beatport for this favor). I've been on Betaport since 2003 and know via people who work there what games goes on behind the closed doors at Beatport Headquarters in Berlin and Denver. Look at the recent top 100's on Betaport and you'll find massive spam from Toolroom. The big labels pay Beatport to favorite them. In many cases it's not sales that put you on these Top 10 Beatport lists. It's money under the table 
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : May 23, 2011 21:38
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On 2011-05-23 21:08, Beat Agency wrote:
Look at the recent top 100's on Betaport and you'll find massive spam from Toolroom. The big labels pay Beatport to favorite them. In many cases it's not sales that put you on these Top 10 Beatport lists. It's money under the table
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Interesting you say this...i've been noticing some trends
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CDreviewsPsy
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Posted : May 23, 2011 22:17
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On 2011-05-23 21:08, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-05-23 20:45, CDreviewsPsy wrote:
And for ur info, not every release can make it to such sites, it has be of a certain level (at least production quality), if your talkin about some random basslines and a kick, then you could find a lot of those on some free releases, and not so popular stores.
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I have to correct you here. Ever label or artist can go on Beatport they just have to do it via 3rd part distributors.
Being released on Beatport is not a "stamp of quality" as a whole big pile on Beatport is utterly crap and IMO it should never have been released. But I guess taste is taste and quantity always win. Furthermore being on a Top chart does not mean the music is quality. It just mean that Beatport favorite certain labels and artists (the top commercial ones who have enough money to pay Beatport for this favor). I've been on Betaport since 2003 and know via people who work there what games goes on behind the closed doors at Beatport Headquarters in Berlin and Denver. Look at the recent top 100's on Betaport and you'll find massive spam from Toolroom. The big labels pay Beatport to favorite them. In many cases it's not sales that put you on these Top 10 Beatport lists. It's money under the table
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@ Beat Agency, yes i agree to a certain extent, that all of it is not great music and yes i am aware of the underhand dealing that you are talking about .. But even then Beatport usually do not take any label just like that... there is a bit of screening process now, im sure you know of that.
But from a promotional point of view, there could be an extra bunch, who will not be from your music scene, but havin a good chance of them liking your music, which would not be possible through others. ok it might take a bit of weeding out, but ultimately there's more to win than lose? Dont u think so ?
well that's not the point of this discussion anyways.... I think u do know by now, as to what my question is, ie, why are the acts in this scene so reluctant to use this medium?
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Serag
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Posted : May 23, 2011 22:49
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On 2011-05-23 20:45, CDreviewsPsy wrote:
And o wow!!! 500 copiess! amazing..! to at least a minimum of 5000 darkpsy listeners...
man... gimme a breakkk!!
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what is ur porpose of this? how many cds u wanna sell then around maybe 1000 or 2000 or 5000? or what is ur vision of it?
even 2 -3 years ago the statistics showed around 500 to 800 copies per release. noise poison sold around 2000 when cosmo debut album and so on , now im sure is around 50 to 100 max 300 if is a good one.
and remmember that underground psytrance music is the minority. so dont expect to sell like full on sell or other psycomercial styles..
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Posted : May 23, 2011 23:40
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^^man...no problem whith you or the cd sales but...what's the problem whith full on that dark people have?the fact that there are commercial bands doesn't make psytrance commercial...don't put it all in the same place...and respect to the commercials cause a kid will listen them first and after 3 years can maybe hear some atriohm...a bit offtopic...please continue!! |
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Freeflow
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Maybe Internet is making us crave more and want it straight away.. (maybe that is true) But Good things are good things and they are worth to wait for and people will wait for them.
If you know what quality is than you know to wait for it. This is really a strange thing with people listening to Mp3s, Wav is superior in Quality
Cover Art is important, but if its great Cover Art but bad music it wont do any good for the label or artist.
But i guess this is very subjective what is good or not.
There are cover arts that is not so colorful but the music inside is the most energetic and colorful there is. In digital release it is important with Cover Art aswell, people do burn the release to CD if its good and print the cover art. I know i do. And probably a lot of CD Dj´s Do, And CD´s will exists cause no one really trust a computer, Most Djs that mix with computers has a back up CD in case the computer will go whack, and Artist playing live also do this. Of course now the Pioneer Cdj 2000 has usb so that can work as-well 
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The most important factor is audio clips, comments and reviews, This will help Selling a CD or Help in Download count.
The pleasure of hearing a great Album or VA-Album can not be measured in money! But truth is this
IF the person under influence of the music has 10 euro in their pocket and their Serotonin level is maxed, and the artist was in the room he would give this money to them and also call him messenger of god. Right now i got like 15 Ektoplazm albums which i would really like to give some money to if i had any. Some real messengers of god. And their Albums is albums you will never want to get rid of. They are printed to your mind as the music is truly divine. Unforgettable
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dreadieg
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Posted : May 24, 2011 07:51
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oh for fucks sake, make your own music, play it live and sell CDs at your shows. release them via internet to draw people to your shows.
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Serag
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Posted : May 24, 2011 08:35
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On 2011-05-24 02:55, Freeflow wrote:
Maybe Internet is making us crave more and want it straight away.. (maybe that is true) But Good things are good things and they are worth to wait for and people will wait for them.
If you know what quality is than you know to wait for it. This is really a strange thing with people listening to Mp3s, Wav is superior in Quality
Cover Art is important, but if its great Cover Art but bad music it wont do any good for the label or artist.
But i guess this is very subjective what is good or not.
There are cover arts that is not so colorful but the music inside is the most energetic and colorful there is. In digital release it is important with Cover Art aswell, people do burn the release to CD if its good and print the cover art. I know i do. And probably a lot of CD Dj´s Do, And CD´s will exists cause no one really trust a computer, Most Djs that mix with computers has a back up CD in case the computer will go whack, and Artist playing live also do this. Of course now the Pioneer Cdj 2000 has usb so that can work as-well
Anyway
The most important factor is audio clips, comments and reviews, This will help Selling a CD or Help in Download count.
The pleasure of hearing a great Album or VA-Album can not be measured in money! But truth is this
IF the person under influence of the music has 10 euro in their pocket and their Serotonin level is maxed, and the artist was in the room he would give this money to them and also call him messenger of god. Right now i got like 15 Ektoplazm albums which i would really like to give some money to if i had any. Some real messengers of god. And their Albums is albums you will never want to get rid of. They are printed to your mind as the music is truly divine. Unforgettable
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i wont pretend .. im not cool. i know, i dont expect to earn friends here.
but this has been the most objective post of all.
boom
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demoniac
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Posted : May 24, 2011 16:34
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : May 24, 2011 21:29
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On 2011-05-24 07:51, dreadieg wrote:
oh for fucks sake, make your own music, play it live and sell CDs at your shows. release them via internet to draw people to your shows.
not that hard.
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kazuku
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Here my perspective from a collector/consumer view point:
Its not like the artwork/tangible quality of a cd is thaaaaat important to me, but there can be gratification when you discover gems in your collection that you havnt held in your hands for a while. Maybe it slipped under the car seat or was sitting in that lonely box - I find it rewarding to be able to think something like:
"Wicked - my copy of Pigs in Space, I was wondering where that went. Really happy I still have that, it reminds me of that one time...."
The sense of ownership is definetly greater with physical media imo. I buy both - Cds if I want to collect something I really love, online when I want instant gratifcation. Nevertheless, I realize Cd´s are on the way out and can live with it.
My big issue with the download portals like beatport is value and selection. If I am paying the same for a download as for a cd, I expect, no I demand, lossless quality with no extra cost. Sound quality is the only (imo)pull factor that download portals have to/should offer to stop people downloading from illegal sources, which are very well organized as it stands. From my perspective, I will never want any release in crap sound quality, i´d rather not have it at all. Kind of like yesterday when my friend wanted to give me Pirates of the Carribean 4 and I said I didnt want it, because it has people standing in front of the camera, laughing whatever. Id rather wait and buy the movie/rent it/go to the cinema. Same goes with pirate crap in vbr which I never touch as a collector. I would expect that if I am honest enough to buy music again and again, although the free alternative is calling seductively from 3 clicks away, I will at least receive some extra value. Beatport have all releases in 320, which is the very, very minimum requirement. At least it is consitent, but for god sake, give us some extra value and flac or wav as a free option. The cost demanded for this atm is outrageous, and I just cant accept a lossless download version is much more expensive than the cd equivilant. Still I will download the 320 Mp3 from them, but am always pissed. I would defintetly buy more if it were different.
As an example, lets take a random recent album, lets say V.A - Be Spun for sake of argument.
If I were to buy the CD online I would pay around €9.80.
The download from Beatport in MP3 320 would cost me €18.03. Lets say I would have the audacity to want the download in loss-less quality, I would have to pay a staggering €28.38, which is rediculons
3 times more than the cd...wtf.
Online shops - differentiate yourself from the pirates/traders through Value (sound!!!)quality and good service and you will sell more.
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Posted : May 26, 2011 16:53
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I can't think of a valid reason why any digital download, regardless of quality, should cost more than a CD. For me, a "fair price" for digital download is roughly 50% of the CD. |
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kazuku
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Posted : May 26, 2011 17:51
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On 2011-05-26 16:53, BraneFreeze wrote:
I can't think of a valid reason why any digital download, regardless of quality, should cost more than a CD. For me, a "fair price" for digital download is roughly 50% of the CD.
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amen.
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