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Suloo
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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 08:14
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Hey..
as long as writing is concerned..you should have a pretty good start with this website.. 
http://www.trancetutorial.com/free.htm
check theory section..
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panike
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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 13:43
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minddoctorsmakeacid
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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 13:43
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On 2011-07-16 21:53, panike wrote:
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On 2011-07-16 16:30, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
I haven't read all the posts here but all I have to say is that there is probably more music in one goa track than in an entire album of Night Full On.
Goa has long melody lines 32/64 bars of harmony while modern psytrance has shorter and more catchy patterns like 4/8 bars.
The more repeticion you add easier to remeber the track and more the track will pull you to dance and you can clearly listen to the difference between these 2 diferent styles, Goa makes your mind wonder while psy makes you want to dance.
Psytrance came from goa trance, they are one but at the same time they are separate because we labeled them that way to be easier to distinguish them that's all.
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So you guys are saying that a goa trance producer needs to have better musical "theory" than a full on night producer?
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Not necessarily, I'm only saying that Goa has more music in it. I believe that some Goa artists where only relying on tonality, on what they're ears where telling them was right and with the help of arpegiators they would'nt need much music theory to make a good Goa track but the thing is the ones who knew music theory had the capabilities to create far more attractive music that the one who didn't.
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Beat Agency
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Posted : Jul 17, 2011 15:45
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On 2011-07-17 13:43, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
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On 2011-07-16 21:53, panike wrote:
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On 2011-07-16 16:30, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
I haven't read all the posts here but all I have to say is that there is probably more music in one goa track than in an entire album of Night Full On.
Goa has long melody lines 32/64 bars of harmony while modern psytrance has shorter and more catchy patterns like 4/8 bars.
The more repeticion you add easier to remeber the track and more the track will pull you to dance and you can clearly listen to the difference between these 2 diferent styles, Goa makes your mind wonder while psy makes you want to dance.
Psytrance came from goa trance, they are one but at the same time they are separate because we labeled them that way to be easier to distinguish them that's all.
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So you guys are saying that a goa trance producer needs to have better musical "theory" than a full on night producer?
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Not necessarily, I'm only saying that Goa has more music in it. I believe that some Goa artists where only relying on tonality, on what they're ears where telling them was right and with the help of arpegiators they would'nt need much music theory to make a good Goa track but the thing is the ones who knew music theory had the capabilities to create far more attractive music that the one who didn't.
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Most of the old Goa artists I know had some former training in music or at least experience in music making and production from bands etc.
I never met anyone in the early 90's who used arpeggiators because they lacked musical knowledge/Theory.
On a side note I never understood why people ask to get a ready recipe of how to make music. To me that indicate lack of musical inspiration and talent. Of course I could be wrong 
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cr1st0
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 03:13
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panike
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 13:43
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On 2011-07-17 15:45, Beat Agency wrote:
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On 2011-07-17 13:43, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
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On 2011-07-16 21:53, panike wrote:
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On 2011-07-16 16:30, minddoctorsmakeacid wrote:
I haven't read all the posts here but all I have to say is that there is probably more music in one goa track than in an entire album of Night Full On.
Goa has long melody lines 32/64 bars of harmony while modern psytrance has shorter and more catchy patterns like 4/8 bars.
The more repeticion you add easier to remeber the track and more the track will pull you to dance and you can clearly listen to the difference between these 2 diferent styles, Goa makes your mind wonder while psy makes you want to dance.
Psytrance came from goa trance, they are one but at the same time they are separate because we labeled them that way to be easier to distinguish them that's all.
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So you guys are saying that a goa trance producer needs to have better musical "theory" than a full on night producer?
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Not necessarily, I'm only saying that Goa has more music in it. I believe that some Goa artists where only relying on tonality, on what they're ears where telling them was right and with the help of arpegiators they would'nt need much music theory to make a good Goa track but the thing is the ones who knew music theory had the capabilities to create far more attractive music that the one who didn't.
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Most of the old Goa artists I know had some former training in music or at least experience in music making and production from bands etc.
I never met anyone in the early 90's who used arpeggiators because they lacked musical knowledge/Theory.
On a side note I never understood why people ask to get a ready recipe of how to make music. To me that indicate lack of musical inspiration and talent. Of course I could be wrong
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maybe your right maybe your wrong,im not looking for a recipe to make music,i just asked how it is made and i've got replies telling me how to do it
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Perma Fry
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 16:09
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On 2011-07-17 08:14, Zork wrote:
Hey..
as long as writing is concerned..you should have a pretty good start with this website..
http://www.trancetutorial.com/free.htm
check theory section..
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This tutorial is massive
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PoM
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Posted : Jul 18, 2011 16:36
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synth wise try ace,all the korg plugs,xhip, xils labs synths ,tal synths. you may find a few in that list that will suit you well for goa stuff (and you need a 303 emu! abl 2 or phoscyon)
sample wise you need drums machine(909 and more),real drums samples and percussions (you can find all this free on the net) |
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hearttricks
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Posted : Aug 7, 2011 02:38
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i make goa.. love the vibes.. or at least i call it "goa" because it's definitely not anything else, not psy at least. it's not "real" goa, but is as real as a fried out Californian can make it, and is from the heart.
goa is a wonderful fusion of elements that most psy leaves out these days.. so i find it necessary to return to the root of the music..
that said, i see a lot of stuff these days called "goa" that I would definitely only call "psytrance," but i suppose the older style and the new are still merging, some people use the label "goa" when referring to tunes that are just more chilled and spiritual than most psy. but then i've heard that called Progressive DarkPsy too. |
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Karma Konnect
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 10:49
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95 % of Goatrance was made on Phrygian Mode/Scale... which mostly became or made it GoaTrance...!!
My Full On EP will be releasing soon & all 3 tracks r on Phrygian.. will post the link when its out
Look Around You - EP Out Now on (Planet Ben records)
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 11:12
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On 2011-07-15 17:10, Pagan wrote:
I've heard before that GOA typically uses natural instruments and percussion elements, where as psy is more artificial.
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Wise. Whoever said that got it right.
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I never heard that many natural instruments in goa or psy.. what are natural instruments? Oboe, clarinets and violins?
To me, it's about the melodies.. Goa is in India, Goa music was full of 'snakecharmer' leads you know, the ones in exotic scales. The use of those type of melodies kinda faded away, things got 'progressive' (i never understood that term. in rock and metal it means that the bans strives to be creative.. in techno it means that the band dumbed down the production to an almost minimal arrangement with a bit of tribal feel) and now it's typical to hear more western inspired scales being used... hell, some psy artists doesn't even care for melodies at all 
Which leads me to my next thesis: Back then, equipment was expensive. You did not buy stuff if you were not sure that you could handle it. Today, anyone can install a daw and some plugins, even though they never ever invented a melody. and with a bit of technical insight you can easily make clear sound, but the composing can't be helped
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Audiosonic
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Posted : Aug 16, 2011 11:23
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On a side note I never understood why people ask to get a ready recipe of how to make music. To me that indicate lack of musical inspiration and talent. Of course I could be wrong
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So, if i cook supper at home, i use a recipe too... this does not mean that i can't build upon that recipe once i'm comfortable with it. But before i can create a new flashy Risotto, i kinda need to know how to make the traditional one in the first place, right??
Ofcourse i could just start to boil rice in different fluids until i got it right - now, that would be a talented way to go about it I could just start to play notes at random, and hope to 'invent my own scale' - not going to happen....
Remember, everybody does things their own way, and no one can say that their way is better than others..... when you point your finger at someone, 3 of your fingers are still pointing at yourself
Maybe smile some more, would maybe seem a bit less arrogant... whatever you do, don't think you're groundbreaking or 'state of the art', because the scales you learnt and use, are the same ones being used for many hundred years - so are you really more creative than the rest of us??
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